Posted on 08/02/2004 11:25:35 PM PDT by Former Military Chick
Adding to the stew of protests planned during the Republican National Convention, New York labor leaders announced yesterday that they would hold a rally on Sept. 1 at which tens of thousands of union members would demonstrate against President Bush.
Labor leaders said the rally would be held near Madison Square Garden, the site of the convention scheduled from Aug. 30 to Sept. 2, to send a strong message to Republicans about what the labor officials said were Mr. Bush's antiworker and antiunion policies.
"George Bush is the working person's worst nightmare,'' said Brian M. McLaughlin, the president of the New York City Central Labor Council. "He has attempted to roll back labor laws and workers' rights as far as he can." _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
The rally, which has received a permit from the city, is scheduled from 4 to 8 p.m. at 30th Street and Eighth Avenue. Demonstrators will be asked to enter a planned security zone at 23rd Street. Mr. McLaughlin announced the rally at a news conference outside the Garden, where he was joined by leaders of more than a dozen unions, including 1199/SEIU, District Council 37, the United Federation of Teachers, the United Automobile Workers, the Transport Workers Union and Unite Here, the textile, hotel and restaurant workers union.
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Mr. McLaughlin said that on the evening of Sept. 2, when Mr. Bush is expected to deliver his speech accepting the Republican Party's nomination, many New York union members would participate in a plan to have an estimated 25,000 union members across the nation knock on a million doors to spread an anti-Bush message.
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I'm not angry, I just have no use for fools who try to claim the other person in a discussion agrees with their opinion as if it is a universally-held fact. YOU are the one who's turned this into a personal mudslinging, so go play with your like-minded friends, and let me know when you grow up enough to have a true give and take, without this "and you know it" garbage, which is the true sign of one with no facts, just "accepted beliefs" i.e. the opinions of you and your like-minded pals.
Alright. Union goons!!!!
I'm against these union management people aka union goons that don't give a DAMN about the workers. These same goons that back pro-outsourcing democrats like John Kerry and Bill Klinton
The same ones that cave on outsourcing issues at the last GM strike.
Take this from a former member of the AFL-CIO, now retired - labor unions serve a good purpose, to mediate between workers and bosses and to create healthier workplaces and raise employee salaries. BUT -- Labor also takes our dues and lobbies with corrupt Democratic officials, and the people that make out more than anybody are the damn labor leaders! They keep themselves in power with ridiculously high salaries by painting Republicans as the boogey men. And labor leaders cut all kinds of sweetheart deals with the corporate bosses to make it look like they're helping their union members, when they're really giving away workers' interests in exchange for special deals. I saw it all in the workplace.
Oh, I get it, you mean like they did in the Soviet Union. Yeah, that was a real worker's paradise wasn't it. Only 10 families to an apartment and 2 hours in line for bread or potatoes, I'm sure we all want a piece of that.
Hey, I've got a great idea. Why don't you test your theory? All you have to do is get some workers together and pool your money and buy a company. Then you can prove that the workers can run a company without management and we'll all have to take notice.
Talk is cheap. Why not cut the rhetoric and post the "facts" that persuaded you?
On second thought I'm too bored to care, but post away.
"Hmm. I wonder what really is "the true sign of one with no facts"? Perhaps its fiercely clinging to one thing your opponent said and trying to use it to avoid addressing the rest of their argument. Do you want me to apologize or something? Please. It's you who need to grow up. As I said, I wasn't proclaiming anything as an absolute truth. Saying "and you know it" is a rhetorical device, nothing more. I was simply trying to get you to reflect on the experience of capitalism in a different light. I wasn't saying that you "knew" anything per se, that you agreed with me, or that you were required to agree with me. You took it that way, but I never said anything about "universal truths". Then you used the old "that's the problem with you leftists" tactic, which seems to be very common on this site. Well sorry, but lumping someone together with a group and then attacking the group doesn't work. Nor is it considered a fair tactic in a debate. Just more evasion. Go ahead. Keep on evading."
More personal jabs, no facts.
Please site all the straight answers you've given on this thread.
Now who's evading?
And who gave you the responsibility of making me "see capitalism in a different light"? You've no idea how I see capitalism, yet you claim to know what a "different light" of capitalism would be for me. That's the height of self-righteous foolishness--how can you give a variation until you understand the core? We've certainly not discussed economic or labor models in anything but the most basic vocabulary--so how can you know what would be "a different light", especially when your idea of "different" is the most basic of workers' paradise models.
You've done nothing but repeat communist accepted wisdom--"Marxism for Dummies" stuff without an ounce of originality.
I've lived with socialists who've argued with more detail and facts in one minute than you've done in this entire tiresome thread. When I want a high school history view of these issues I'll call my niece.
Go sulk now, little boy, and tell your friends about the evil capitalist. Bye. :)
Unions have STOLEN money from their members,sold the "workers" down the river for at least a century,and made SWEETHEART DEALS that STOLE from the average taxpaying citizen.
WORKERS OF THE WORLD UNITE...yeah,that really helped. LOL
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