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Threat Matrix: Daily Terror Threat - Thread Sixteen
Yahoo ^ | 8-02-04 | AP

Posted on 08/02/2004 5:12:31 PM PDT by JustPiper




Credit: The Cabal

The title refers to a daily report given to the president of the United States detailing the most serious terrorist threats against the country. To tackle those threats, the government has formed a top-notch task force to infiltrate the terror cells and cut off the danger.

"Every morning, the president receives a list of the top ten terrorist threats - this list is known as the threat matrix."

We here at FR are trying to be in conjunction with the daily reports around the world that involve threats. We try to provide a storehouse of information that takes hours of research.

YOU be the Judge and get informed.


"I will never cower before any master nor bend to any threat."

Link to Thread Fifteen

Police Secure Businesses on Terror Alert
NEW YORK - Police searched trucks, blocked streets and posted machine-gun toting officers outside financial landmarks Monday, a day after the government's chilling warning that terrorists might target the buildings with bombs.





"God could not be everywhere and therefore he made mothers."
-- Jewish proverb








We are the "Stotters" who make ourselves aware of the
enemy who wishes to do us harm.




"What good are the color codes at all if we are suddenly hit with a bio or chem attack? There would be no warning and the danger would be instant."

"Code Red Implications
Code Red - Stay Home and Await Word."
by MamaDearest





Meet It!
Greet It!
Defeat It!





TOPICS: News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: muslims; terror; threatmatrix; threats
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To: JustPiper; HipShot; ExSoldier; judicial meanz; freeperfromnj; nwctwx; Velveeta; grizzfan; ...
Does anyone else have any info/rumor/hearsay/anything to add that you have heard from friends, spouses or other family members in any of your local regions?

Here's something I just posted on the TERROR ALERT RAISED thread:

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Regarding the stuff I mentioned above, I really don't know very much at all. I sold something to a guy on ebay (some photographic stuff; my hobby is photography). He emailed to say that he'd suddenly been called to Miami on a personal matter for a few days.

I didn't know if I was about to get stiffed, or if the guy was on the level, so I looked into what I could find on him to see what I could see, and in a nutshell, what I could see was that he was a former airline pilot who works for an "aviation major" with a large presence in Miami. They are involved in various "support" roles for "the industry" (and IIRC, for gov't too). I don't want to say much more (not that I know much more) because I don't want to say anything that might help anyone ID the guy. I don't want to violate his privacy. I don't think anything I've posted violates his privacy (I don't think it IDs him or gives enough for anyone to ID him), but I don't want to say anything more about him.

I will repost this on that other thread in response to a post I read that's asking for this type info, and see if anyone knows anything. (Again, not anything to do with this person, but anything to do with sudden "measures" going on in that region.)

I'll ping you to that post too.

Regarding the topic in this thread, I'd add that I'm still kinda stunned by the stuff that was said by way of validating the seriousness of the previous alert -- now, suddenly consigned to the memory hole, as if it had never even happened. I'm talking about stuff like Tom Daschle being visibly shaken by what he'd heard in the classified briefings, and making it crystal clear that the stuff was so serious that even he could not possibly consider that it was politically motivated -- and this was in reply to a direct question specifically asking him if he agreed that it was politically driven.

Now, that was probably the most serious warning/alert since 9/11. And it was certainly presented as such at the time -- and "the time" was at most two weeks ago.

Now, it's just gone, in some Orwellian "who controls the past" style memory sweep!

It's been erased out of the "newsspace".

This is surreal, because when you consider that we're NOW being presented with another "most serious threat since 9/11" incident, you'd think they'd at the very least take the effort to mention the previous alert, which happened DAYS ago. (what was it, ten, twelve, fourteen DAYS ago, give or take?)

Like I said, surreal.

So, what I'm thinking is that when they take the effort to NOT "connect the dots", the one thing that's probably "certain" (as "certain" as these things get) is that "the dots" ARE "connected".

Any time they say "don't look THERE!" my inclination is to "look there". Hey, I'm human. :)

So, IS there a connection between the last alert, which was widely reported to involve a number of tactical nukes IN the USA?

I have nothing to go on but my hunches -- which are shaped by the strange way TPTB are acting, INCLUDING their psychotic "forgetfullness" about the very recent alert preceding this alert -- but, my hunches are screaming yes, there is a connection between the two alerts.

So, there's my two cents.

1,261 posted on 08/04/2004 7:29:17 PM PDT by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: lugsoul

ping


1,262 posted on 08/04/2004 7:30:14 PM PDT by lugsoul (Until at last I threw down my enemy and smote his ruin on the mountainside.)
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To: Don Joe; All

Thank you for that, Don Joe. At first glance, Kooge seems to have a perfectly fine bio. I will look more closely.

By the way, your home page is interesting. I took the liberty of posting the Hitchens piece below from your page. I missed this article when it appeared but I heard about it much, much later. Very apropros now, right?

The night of the weak knees

Christopher Hitchens
Wednesday December 5, 2001
The Guardian

Four weekends ago, I really did receive two Friday-night telephone calls from well-positioned Washingtonians. "Leave now," they told me. "There's a tactical nuke on the loose, and it's headed for DC." One of these callers was in a position to know, and the other was in a position where he was actually paid to know. Calls were being placed to an immediate circle of friends to which, in theory, I was flattered to belong. Those who were calling were also leaving - while not informing the rest of the citizens. Why, then, did I resolve to stay? It wasn't just British pluck, strong as that naturally is. I thought, first, that it was unlikely that al-Qaida, if it had the bomb, would have conducted a petty dress rehearsal with United Airlines. I thought, second, that the detonation of a "use it or lose it" freelance nuke could not be predicted for any given weekend. And I thought, third, that I would feel a colossal cretin if I fled and then came slithering back on Monday morning (especially if the nuclear holocaust was timed for Monday's rush hour after all). In the end, I did take the family on a pre-arranged trip to Gettysburg, leaving late and returning early.

Officially, nobody now remembers this night of the weak knees. It rated a brief and embarrassed mention in Hugh Sidey's Time column, and that was it. But I shall not forget how some of those in supposed authority decided that the end had come, and made it a point to keep it to themselves and their immediate friends, perhaps to stop the crowding of the roads. That's how it will be on the day of Armageddon, and that's why the citizen should always plan to outlive the state, rather than the other way round.
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1,263 posted on 08/04/2004 7:32:38 PM PDT by Donna Lee Nardo
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To: Donna Lee Nardo
Very apropros now, right?

In more ways than one!

From that article:

Officially, nobody now remembers this night of the weak knees.

How quickly the previous alert -- the one we were told was the most serious since 9/11 -- the one that had even Tom Daschle saying that it was SO serious that it couldn't possibly be politically motivated.

That alert was what, a week or two ago? And now, it's as if it had never happened, but the current release is all the rage.

Orwell must be up to 10,000 RPM by now.

1,264 posted on 08/04/2004 7:38:44 PM PDT by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: DAVEY CROCKETT

Neither do I. Well, I do know some but all are either in white collar crime or they are on the PR end of the alphabets. But that is not who I referred to in my post. There are other officials who come in more handy because they can talk more freely to family...

So now, Davey, we must task you with accosting a LEO on the street. Are you up for it?!


1,265 posted on 08/04/2004 7:39:39 PM PDT by Donna Lee Nardo
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To: freeperfromnj
Storage facilities have cameras. The garages that we have at my apartment complex do not...a much mroe likely scenario..and the isalmonazis live here too...they are everywhere.

I am watching...and loaded. I no longer go anywhere without my 9mm. Soon to buy a Glock 10mm.

1,266 posted on 08/04/2004 7:40:58 PM PDT by Indie (Ignorance of the truth is no excuse for stupidity.)
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To: Don Joe

I just read your post from yesterday on the thread you linked. It was brilliantly written and contains within some of the same feeling that I have been having. I think that it would be a very good post to reprint here. I hope you don't mind:
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To: HipShot
Wrong. That's a fatal mistake to make.

The sub critical components have a half life of 24,000 years.

Also note the subtle use of misdirection, i.e., the "mid-1990s" slipped in, to reframe the timeframe. IIRC, the stuff mentioned last week (or was it the week before?) was of allegedly recent import, presumably maintained up to the point it was walked across the border.

Moving right along, it has occurred to me that this weekend's "sudden" alert-panic is curiously juxtaposed with the LAST alert-panic (the one that allegedly involved the aforementioned tac-nukes).

However, there has to date been ZERO mention of the last alert (in the context of the present alert).

This has moved me to speculate that the elephant under the carpet that no one wants to mention is in fact there, under the carpet.

In other words, I suspect that the "whatever it was" of the last alert (quite possibly a number of tactical nukes) are still "at large", and, they have NOT been intercepted, and it's starting to get down to the "oh-sh** hour", with no hope in sight (other than pathetic feel-good/look-good gestures like they're doing in NYC the past few days).

What made my own blood run cold vis-a-vis this scenario was the Drudge headline yesterday -- since confirmed via multiple sources -- that the "big news" was in fact OLD news.

When they drop what they're doing and go into overdrive in a mad panic to put up the barricades NOW NOW NOW! -- and, the "news" that's motivated the mad dash, is actually OLD "news", then what you're faced with is the MO of a "cover story."

So, if they're actually using some dreadfully OLD "news" as a cover story to rationalize a sudden mad dash to secure a bunch of targets, it smacks of a truly terrifying oh-shi* moment -- the likes of which they DARE not disclose (thus the pathetic cover story dredged up to "explain" why it's necessary).

It's like buying a house, and after you're there a month, you discover that a few years ago, someone toilet-papered your trees on haloween. It's now mid-summer. So, you drop what you're doing, install lights, security cameras, a concertina wire perimeter, concrete barricades, and full time rent-an-army to patrol the border, NOW!

Um, "NOW"?

What's wrong with this picture?

Everything.

Unless...

Yeah, that's what I'm afraid of.

Damn.

PS: Does anyone know of anything going on in Miami in this same timeframe that would require "heavy" airplane old hands to drop what they're doing, and race out to Miami post haste, leaving lame cover stories of their own?

If the answer is a "loose lips" thing, then don't say it, obviously.
550 posted on 08/03/2004 10:50:52 AM EDT by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)


1,267 posted on 08/04/2004 7:45:40 PM PDT by Revel
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from Washington Post ... re: British terror arrests

WASHINGTON — A key al-Qaida figure who had access to the surveillance data that led authorities to increase the terror alert level was among those arrested in raids in Britain on Tuesday, according to a senior U.S. national security official. He said the arrests were made on information obtained following the arrests of al-Qaida suspects in Pakistan.

The official described the arrest of Eisa al-Hindi, an al-Qaida leader in Britain, as the initial unraveling of a network of al-Qaida members believed to have been actively planning attacks in the United States and elsewhere.

Al-Hindi, according to the official, had access to the detailed surveillance of the five financial institutions in Washington, New Jersey and New York that was stored in the computer of a suspect apprehended earlier in Pakistan. Other al-Qaida operatives outside Britain also had access to the information, the official said.

Al-Hindi was among 13 men, ages 19 to 32, arrested in raids late Tuesday in London, the nearby towns of Watford and Luton, and Blackburn in northwestern England. One man was freed Wednesday without charge. The others were being questioned at a London police station “on suspicion of being concerned in the commission, preparation or instigation of acts of terrorism,” police said, according to the Associated Press.

The arrests in Pakistan that led investigators to al-Hindi began in June with the apprehension by Pakistani paramilitary forces of Mussad Aruchi, an al-Qaida operative. The operation was supervised by the CIA, officials said. Aruchi, described as a nephew of Khalid Sheik Mohammed, the architect of the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, told interrogators he “was sure that al-Qaida would hit New York or Washington pretty soon.” He is also a cousin of Ramzi Ahmed Yousef, who was convicted of planning and carrying out an attack on the World Trade Center in 1993.

1,268 posted on 08/04/2004 7:51:58 PM PDT by JellyJam
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To: Donna Lee Nardo
A contact of mine in NYC (who is legally armed and undercover, but he is NOT a NYPD cop; a transit cop; a guard; or any other security or advance team member; I cannot write who he is) says all they were "officially" told by the Feds is to watch out for clean shaven Arab males.

Interesting... I know the training manuals from AQ told the trainees to be clean shaven at all times to avoid suspicion. It is weird that they would put out such a broad BOLO type statement. There are certainly a lot of clean shaven Arab males out there. It sounds like they are fairly worried though, to warn of something such as this.

A friend of the family in customs keeps reassuring me that large scale attacks will be thwarted. He says he is most concerned about isolated truck bombs, SAMs, and suicide bombers (Israeli style). I'm not sure how 'in the know' he is though. It seems that I have surprised him with a few things we have come across here.

1,269 posted on 08/04/2004 7:56:31 PM PDT by nwctwx
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To: Donna Lee Nardo
So now, Davey, we must task you with accosting a LEO on the street. Are you up for it?!
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LOL OK find me one. When they were looking for Eric Rudolf it wouldn't have been a problem FBI was everywhere. Now that I am talking about good ole boy Eric wonder if he did do all these bombings? They sure aren't bringing him to trail as fast as McVeigh. It could of been terrorist.
1,270 posted on 08/04/2004 7:56:35 PM PDT by DAVEY CROCKETT (There is no such thing as coincidence, GOD is in control.)
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To: jstolzen; flutters

Thanks J, good to hear you have started on the index. Take your time, I am still doing daily roundups and flutters has been doing a wonderful job keeping track of everything. I will be posting this weeks links in a few days.


1,271 posted on 08/04/2004 7:58:07 PM PDT by nwctwx
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To: Donna Lee Nardo

In the end, we really are on our own.


1,272 posted on 08/04/2004 7:58:58 PM PDT by texasbluebell
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To: All

So that no one misunderstands the following lines"

To: HipShot
"Wrong. That's a fatal mistake to make.

The sub critical components have a half life of 24,000 years."

Were the words of HipShot and were being responded to by Don Joe


1,273 posted on 08/04/2004 8:02:50 PM PDT by Revel
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To: thecabal
It looks like the cells are starting to be unraveled as we get some good intel.

That is one perspective. All the sweeps and arrests we're seeing *may* be the result of good intel. OTOH - what if we've been following all these folks for months, we know that something big is about to happen but we don't know what or where. Why not start making lots of arrests in the hopes of stopping something. I do hope your scenario - not mine - is the correct one.

1,274 posted on 08/04/2004 8:03:23 PM PDT by ladyjane
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To: Don Joe

Great post Don Joe.

I think all these threats are interconnected in some way, it would be foolish for people not to connect the dots. Unfortunately, a lot of people want to look the other way because it is easier for them to do just that. There has been a steady increase in rhetoric from the enemy and worry within the government basically back to last winter.

This summer has been very telling, the threats continue to stream in. The remarks Daschle gave were on July 9 and are still very valid today.

I strongly believe that the level raising this weekend is somehow related to the threats we have been hearing about all summer. I strongly believe we will see more areas get raised threat levels in the coming days/weeks. The verdict is still out on tactical nukes, but it would be wrong to dismiss the idea fully.

http://www.ianlivingston.com/archived/2004/07/08.htm : Ridge Warns of Plot - July 8

http://www.ianlivingston.com/archived/2004/07/09.htm : bin Laden Guiding Plot - July 9


1,275 posted on 08/04/2004 8:10:35 PM PDT by nwctwx
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To: ladyjane
That is one perspective. All the sweeps and arrests we're seeing *may* be the result of good intel. OTOH - what if we've been following all these folks for months, we know that something big is about to happen but we don't know what or where. Why not start making lots of arrests in the hopes of stopping something. I do hope your scenario - not mine - is the correct one

You must be psychic. I think it is panic mode as well. Excellent thinking.

I have now officially unlocked all of the ammo and weapons.

1,276 posted on 08/04/2004 8:13:40 PM PDT by Indie (Ignorance of the truth is no excuse for stupidity.)
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To: JustPiper

wow, this is an outrage. I can't believe it.


1,277 posted on 08/04/2004 8:14:22 PM PDT by nwctwx
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To: Donna Lee Nardo

I referred to that Hitchen's information several times on the threads - that is indeed one thing to look for, a tip loop would exist amongst the insiders and their friends and families (and it would be big), if this nuke thing ever materialized. and you'd see some big, unexplained drop in the stock market.

if someone see a story about Tenet vacationing in Montana - let us know.


1,278 posted on 08/04/2004 8:16:05 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: JustPiper
From the Prophet of Doom: "According to the Qur’an, all good Muslims fall into one of two categories: those who have died killing infidels, and those who will die killing infidels."

With that philosophy -- plus all the guns, homicide belts and "costumes" provided to the Palestinian tots, it is easy to see how many Muslim and Arab kids grow up to embrace hatred and become jihadis. It's like a real GI Joe game to them. They have no need for violent video games either. It's so sad.

1,279 posted on 08/04/2004 8:16:31 PM PDT by Donna Lee Nardo
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To: Patriot Philly
Maybe it's just me...but I have a feeling that execution of numerous, simultaneous attacks are very imminent.

If we do not stop them all, I expect something in the next few weeks.

1,280 posted on 08/04/2004 8:16:36 PM PDT by nwctwx
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