Posted on 08/02/2004 5:12:15 PM PDT by missyme
It leaves homosexuality precisely where it started, an affront to G-d. As is consuming shellfish. Fornication is more complicated. I'm not sure I understand your question, but I think you missed anotherviews point.
So the destruction of Soddom and Gommorrah had to do with Sexual immorality that being the case Homosexuality would not be an option as Anotherview states. It's not a freedom..
Got to go with Piranha's logic on that one. We are to try to convert them. But not by force, by logic and by appeal to the scriptures.
"If we are going to get along in this world, you have to learn to respect others, including their beliefs."
Is it possible to respect someone, respect their right to choose their beliefs, but still dissagree with their beliefs and attempt to engage them in conversation about them?
I think it is. I think it's possible to respect Jews, to love Jews, and yet still tell them about Jesus.
No, but I've seen enough rabinnical writings prior to Jesus, to know that many of the Old Testament scriptures that Christians consider prophetic about Jesus, were considered messianic in nature prior to Jesus.
15 years is well over the age of accountability. It's not like they were targeting grade school kids.
Now I dissagree with telling him Baptism is a Jewish ritual. But I doubt that's the whole truth. No true Christian believes he's accomplished anything just by getting him to be baptised. It's the acceptance of Jesus that is key. They gave him the Christian scriptures two months before they talked to him about Baptism. I suspect they presented Christianity as a fulfillment of Judaism, which I believe it is. But it's not like this kid didn't know he was talking to Christians. If they did try to "trick" him into baptism, that is both very wrong and stupid.
Just another post to you from little ol' annoying me, my enthusiasm in sharing with all people about Jesus is because it has made me socially aware of the world I live in, amongst other things, before I became a Christian I could of cared less about any body unless it had something to do with me.
I was not concerned with Israel Europe any thing that did not have to do with the country I live in or my circle of friends.
Gentiles are not concerned with Israel Christians are because of there belief in Jesus and GOD's commandment to love Israel.
Do yout think if we had an Atheist as a president he would be concerned with Israel?
Do you think it would be better for Israel if Christians said I am not concerned with that country, I don't have any intentions on going there or sending money there, I would rather go sit on the Beach in Tahiti and spend my money on drinking Chi's Chi's and eating lobster.
Would you like me to post the Jewish scriptures that prophesize about Jesus and you can tell me why they don't.
"Convert or die, straight from the Hep! Hep! Hep!’ cult of Christianity"
Actually, Stonewall, the "convert or die" biz are AnotherView's choices for a good Orthodox parent. You'll need to take your argument up with him. You, on the other hand, are so civil that you tell Christians who love you enough to try saving your soul that you want them to die.
And yes, I certainly do fear people such as yourselves, "advocating the jailing of evangelists in Israel." You and the Islamic cleric urging the UN to make defaming the prophet Mohammed a worldwide "hate crime" must share a lot of tactical ideas.
Christians have given their lives to spread the Word for two millenia, and it will take far worse than the cranks on this thread to stop them from bringing Christ to the Chosen.
I've been reading your bitter posts with no intention of responding, but this one is just too much.
Are you really that ignorant of history?
And faith in your Messiah is absolutely very 'Jewish'. You racist.
I don't believe anotherview has any interest in learning about scripture from another perspective, I found it very interesting reading safisofts posts as he mentioned some things from a hebrew perspective I wasn't aware of.
Maybe it's not right to share the Gospel of Jesus Christ with the Jews in Israel,because they find it an annoyance
GOD does not want to force anybody that is why he has given FREE WILL, frankly I feel the spirit of GOD more fully abundant in sharing the Gospel message to the poor the meek the SINNER who feel he has nothing to live for, it is such a wonderful joy to see the transformation a person makes when you see how Jesus Christ changes there life.
Jesus did not force himself on the Pharisees because they didn't want him,just like the people in Israel don't want Christians there.
I will try and live like Jesus says and will look for the helpless who need help, and give money to the organizations that are trying to do good in the world...
I have no desire to go overseas not to Israel and not to any other country. I live in the best country ever and we have so many beautiful places to see...
There was a thread some time back - a much reprinted article saying "Why Jews don't believe in Jesus." It would be better to take that scripture debate there, some of the issues were already set out by the Rabbi who wrote the article.
Why do you assume that we haven't "explored the issues and discovered the truth"?
I will give you one thing, you live in Israel and appear to know quite a bit about Middle East issues, I never have claimed to. In fact I never cared one bit about what went on in Israel or with the Jewish people there.
I was trying to share with you that as a Christian and people that are trying to do GOD's will have taken a strong interest in Israel by standing with her rather than not caring because GOD commanded it.
If Christians are not there to share and par-take with Israeli Jews about the Messiah then what is the purpose of being there? If there not wanted they should leave and go to other countries that might want to hear about Jesus, that is what the apostles did they shared the message of Jesus Christ when they were told to get out they did, so I agree with you, Christians should vamoose out of Israel if they plan on sharing the Gospel.....
Whether they want it or not, apparently.
Oh, I can feel that Christian love.
Thank God most Christians are not like you.
What are you talking about?
In my opinion, as in the opinion of all Jews, Jesus was not the son of G-d.
I have no opinion whether Christians, who are not Jews, have committed blasphemy by believing a liar or a madman was G-d and worshipping him. I further have no opinion whether Jesus was a liar or a madman. My understanding is that he was a religious Jew.
Observant Jews always aspire to obey G-d and follow his commandments. It is not easy. The Bible itself tells the story of how, after being liberated from Egypt, the ancient Hebrews (I should say "we" ancient Hebrews, since Jews are to see the exodus as though it happened to them personally) so angered G-d that they had to wander the desert until the entire generation of the exodus died out (except for two). Certainly, Jews have disobeyed G-d. So has everybody.
Local Christians trying to lure Jewish children to abandon their faith are as appalling, in a religious sense, as foreign missionaries who jet in to Israel to do the same. However, they may not be as contemptuous of the State of Israel as are the foreigners.
Are you saying the story my father told me was a lie? Are you accusing my father, who survived the Holocaust, of lying about his experiences in Auschwitz and Troglitz?
I am very congnisant of history, thank you very much. The people in Poland who killed Jews even when the Nazis were gone called themselves Christians. So did the collaborators in Czechia. Do you deny this?
Do I believe the Nazi leadership was Christian? Of course not. Do I believe that many who called themselves Christians collaborated or turned a blind eye? Yes, and that is undeniable. Others who called themselves Christians are responsbile for hiding my mother and saving her life.
Christians are not unified. Christianity does not, to me at least, seem to represent one set of beliefs, but rather a range of beliefs. Pogroms, the inquisition, the crusades, and a host of other evils were done in the name of Christ. Do you deny this?
None of that history condemns the Christians of today. It does not reflect on you personally. It should, however, have some influence on how Christians approach Jews. It should impart some sensitivity. That doesn't seem to happen.
My grandparents believed that all goyim were anti-Semitic. I, for one, do not share that belief. However, it is inherently anti-Semitic to try and take our religion, culture, beliefs, and way of life from us. That is what so many have defended here. That is what Christians coming to a Jewish state and prostletyzing to Jewish children is. To me that is indefensible.
I have had another mostly sleepless night and this thread sure didn't help. Boker tov.
Another attempt to convert me. Should I thank you for it?
Yes, there are Jews who survived the Holocaust and converted to Christianity. That is about as likely to influence me as a Christian who converted to Islam after 9/11 is to influence you, which is to say not at all.
I say I find prostletyzing offensive and your response is to prostletyze more. Very nice. Very Christian of you.
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