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To: DannyTN

In my opinion, as in the opinion of all Jews, Jesus was not the son of G-d.

I have no opinion whether Christians, who are not Jews, have committed blasphemy by believing a liar or a madman was G-d and worshipping him. I further have no opinion whether Jesus was a liar or a madman. My understanding is that he was a religious Jew.

Observant Jews always aspire to obey G-d and follow his commandments. It is not easy. The Bible itself tells the story of how, after being liberated from Egypt, the ancient Hebrews (I should say "we" ancient Hebrews, since Jews are to see the exodus as though it happened to them personally) so angered G-d that they had to wander the desert until the entire generation of the exodus died out (except for two). Certainly, Jews have disobeyed G-d. So has everybody.

Local Christians trying to lure Jewish children to abandon their faith are as appalling, in a religious sense, as foreign missionaries who jet in to Israel to do the same. However, they may not be as contemptuous of the State of Israel as are the foreigners.


377 posted on 08/03/2004 8:12:39 PM PDT by Piranha
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To: Piranha
"I have no opinion whether Christians, who are not Jews, have committed blasphemy by believing a liar or a madman was G-d and worshipping him.

So even if Jesus wasn't God but just a man, and we worship him as One in the same as God, you think it's possible God may not charge us with Blasphemy? It's an interesting view but I don't see the logic.

"I further have no opinion whether Jesus was a liar or a madman. My understanding is that he was a religious Jew. "

That's very diplomatic, but if He wasn't God, he claimed to be. He claimed to be equal to God in knowledge, authority, and judgement. He claimed to be able to forgive sins and give people eternal life. The only charge laid against him at his trial that he responded to and he affirmed it, was the charge that he had claimed to be the Son of God. The rest of the charges were false and he wouldn't answer them. His followers claimed that the angels referred to him as "The Living One" and that he ascended in the Shekinah glory cloud.

"Certainly, Jews have disobeyed G-d. So has everybody. "

Agreed, everybody has. The problem I see for the Jews is that in rejecting Jesus, they have rejected God's plan of redemption.

I hope that there is some way that God can still apply the redemptive work of Jesus to the Jews, since they are asking God for forgiveness. But based on several sayings of Jesus and at least one Old Testament verse, I don't think it's likely.

There are also any number of groups that have imagined that God will give yet another chance after death. But I see no scriptural support for that. In fact based on sayings from both the OT Prophet Daniel and from Jesus, I think that is highly unlikely.

Psalms 2:12 - Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.

Daniel 12:2 - And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

489 posted on 08/04/2004 11:21:33 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Piranha
"I have no opinion whether Christians, who are not Jews, have committed blasphemy by believing a liar or a madman was G-d and worshipping him.

So even if Jesus wasn't God but just a man, and we worship him as One in the same as God, you think it's possible God may not charge us with Blasphemy? It's an interesting view but I don't see the logic.

"I further have no opinion whether Jesus was a liar or a madman. My understanding is that he was a religious Jew. "

That's very diplomatic, but if He wasn't God, he claimed to be. He claimed to be equal to God in knowledge, authority, and judgement. He claimed to be able to forgive sins and give people eternal life. The only charge laid against him at his trial that he responded to and he affirmed it, was the charge that he had claimed to be the Son of God. The rest of the charges were false and he wouldn't answer them. His followers claimed that the angels referred to him as "The Living One" and that he ascended in the Shekinah glory cloud.

"Certainly, Jews have disobeyed G-d. So has everybody. "

Agreed, everybody has. The problem I see for the Jews is that in rejecting Jesus, they have rejected God's plan of redemption.

I hope that there is some way that God can still apply the redemptive work of Jesus to the Jews, since they are asking God for forgiveness. But based on several sayings of Jesus and at least one Old Testament verse, I don't think it's likely.

There are also any number of groups that have imagined that God will give yet another chance after death. But I see no scriptural support for that. In fact based on sayings from both the OT Prophet Daniel and from Jesus, I think that is highly unlikely.

Psalms 2:12 - Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.

Daniel 12:2 - And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

490 posted on 08/04/2004 11:21:35 AM PDT by DannyTN
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