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To: anotherview
I have seen Christians persecuting people all my life. When my father was carted off to Auschwitz another Jewish man asked his Czech collaborator captors "Why?". The answer was "for Christ".

I've been reading your bitter posts with no intention of responding, but this one is just too much.

Are you really that ignorant of history?

And faith in your Messiah is absolutely very 'Jewish'. You racist.

369 posted on 08/03/2004 7:08:29 PM PDT by ovrtaxt (The Fleet Center? Isn't Fleet an enema company?)
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To: ovrtaxt
And faith in your Messiah is absolutely very 'Jewish'. You racist.

Oh, I can feel that Christian love.

Thank God most Christians are not like you.

375 posted on 08/03/2004 7:35:30 PM PDT by malakhi (There is no problem so bad that it can't be made worse by government intervention.)
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To: ovrtaxt
I am not at all bitter. Where is the accusation of racism coming from? Which race of people am I bigoted against?

Are you saying the story my father told me was a lie? Are you accusing my father, who survived the Holocaust, of lying about his experiences in Auschwitz and Troglitz?

I am very congnisant of history, thank you very much. The people in Poland who killed Jews even when the Nazis were gone called themselves Christians. So did the collaborators in Czechia. Do you deny this?

Do I believe the Nazi leadership was Christian? Of course not. Do I believe that many who called themselves Christians collaborated or turned a blind eye? Yes, and that is undeniable. Others who called themselves Christians are responsbile for hiding my mother and saving her life.

Christians are not unified. Christianity does not, to me at least, seem to represent one set of beliefs, but rather a range of beliefs. Pogroms, the inquisition, the crusades, and a host of other evils were done in the name of Christ. Do you deny this?

None of that history condemns the Christians of today. It does not reflect on you personally. It should, however, have some influence on how Christians approach Jews. It should impart some sensitivity. That doesn't seem to happen.

My grandparents believed that all goyim were anti-Semitic. I, for one, do not share that belief. However, it is inherently anti-Semitic to try and take our religion, culture, beliefs, and way of life from us. That is what so many have defended here. That is what Christians coming to a Jewish state and prostletyzing to Jewish children is. To me that is indefensible.

I have had another mostly sleepless night and this thread sure didn't help. Boker tov.

378 posted on 08/03/2004 8:16:22 PM PDT by anotherview
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