[AQGeiger]

In the universe which we can study we have a pretty clearly established cause-effect model. Since things "wind down" they must first have been "wound up" (absent quantum implications which are interesting mathematically but have not been successful in moving systems from a state of winding down to wound up without a cause).

So your clear statement that evolutionary belief is as much a statement of faith as Creationism is not quite correct.

I never made any clear statements that evolutionary belief is as much a statement of faith. I simply stated that I find the most common creationist argument, which you make in your post to me, is self-contradictory.

You're just rehashing the same old argument.

[Elsie]

Sentence fragement ALERT!

I never made any clear statements....

[ArGee]

I never made any clear statements that evolutionary belief is as much a statement of faith.

Well, you said that the evolutionist belief in a universe that started without cause was the same as a theist belief that G-d exist without cause. I extrapolated from there.

I simply stated that I find the most common creationist argument, which you make in your post to me, is self-contradictory.

And I pointed out why it was not. Do you care to respond to my point or is your mind all made up?

To review: The Universe has rules which we have spent a couple of centuries studying. Science requires us to apply those rules when determining facts about the Universe.

G-d has rules which we can not access. We have no reason to believe those rules are the same that apply to our Universe. Therefore, applying the rules of the Universe to G-d is not a viable argument.

Your response?

Shalom.