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Captured Qaeda Figure Led Way to Information Behind Warning
New York Times ^ | 08/02/04 | DOUGLAS JEHL and DAVID ROHDE

Posted on 08/01/2004 7:50:32 PM PDT by conservative in nyc

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To: BurbankKarl
if you trace the recipeints DNS number, you could find out pretty quickly where these guys are emailing from, etc.

I maintain that Dan Pearl's killers were ID'd this way.

Recall that they were sending messages to the NY Post and the WS Journal. And it was clearly reported that they were using Hotmail.

Well, Hotmail stamps the IP address of the sending computer into the email header, and that makes it relatively easy to ID the sender, esp. if they were sending from an Internet cafe (IIRC, they were).

Several of the perps were nabbed within a week (alas, too late for Dan Pearl).

61 posted on 08/02/2004 3:41:11 AM PDT by angkor
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To: LurkedLongEnough

Except that all the free email systems record the IP of the computer from which you're logging on.

How hard do you think it might be to monitor all of the new Hotmail or Yahoo accounts being created from within the Pakistan netblocks?

Not very.


62 posted on 08/02/2004 3:47:27 AM PDT by angkor
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To: LurkedLongEnough

When you log on to the dummy mailbox at an internet cafe, and type in the message, then save it to the drafts or any other folder, the plain text is transmitted from the cyber cafe across the internet backbone to the e-mail host's servers. The process is reversed when the intended recipient of the e-mail logs on and retrieves the message.

If the clear text is intercepted and proves to be of interest, then the intercepting entity has the IP address and location of both internet cafes, and perhaps more importantly keywords and account information that can possibly be used in further interception filters.

If the text is not sent in clear text, the packets then become prime targets for interception by virtue of not corresponding to any known language patterns. The use of enencrypted plain speech which uses innocuous words approaching normal grammar and sentence structure to transmit hidden messages would fit the definition of a code, as opposed to a cipher, and the risk there is that an interested third party might obtain a copy of the key while it is still in use.

Not to say that the method suggested wound't help improve security, just to illustrate that no method of electronic communication is foolproof.

As to why information regarding terrorist activities is sometimes held and sometimes released, three guidelines will help you understand what is going on.

One, When there is no operational advantage to withholding the information, and there is an operational or other advantage in releasing the information, the information is released. If there is no operational advantage to withholding the information, but there is also no operational or other advantage in releasing the information, the information is withheld.

Two, when the operational or other advantage in releasing the information outweighs the operational advantage in holding the information, the information will be released.

Three, when information is publicly released without the Administration's approval you will usually see public outrage over the leak. If you do not see outrage expressed publicly, the release of the information probably wasn't a "leak".

By observing a pattern of released information on a given topic over an extended period of time, you can draw conclusions about whether a mechanism for unofficial release of information is in place. Repeated releases, attributed to anonymous officials, that do not result in official public outrage, indicate the existence of a back channel mechanism for releasing sensitive, questionable, or otherwise non-attributable information.

Note that I do not suggest nor deny the existence of such a mechanism in this case, nor will I in a public forum. If you are intersted, odds are you have already been compiling your own statistics.

An excellent overview of US military interrogation theory and practice in Afghanistan can be found in "The Interrogators - Inside the Secret War Against Al Qaeda", copyright 2004, written by Chris Mackey and Greg Miller (pseudonyms, with the text approved for release by US intelligence review) and published by Little, Brown and Company, a subsidiary of the Time Warner Book Group.


63 posted on 08/02/2004 3:50:18 AM PDT by jeffers
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To: snooker

#3: Keep them too busy running away to engage in any offensive moves. Deport all non-citizen Muslims immediately and let their own diseased cultures deal with them. Let the US-citizen Muslims know that if anything further happens, it's straight to the internment camps for them, where we will provide a standard of living commensurate with their lands of origin.


64 posted on 08/02/2004 4:08:10 AM PDT by thoughtomator (John Kerry reporting for duty - making sure that nobody interferes with Hillary's run in 2008)
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To: BagCamAddict
Enough Clinton bashing already.

Can't ever get enough bashing of that corrupt, disbarred, dope-smoking, draft-dodging, pathologically lying, impeached rapist.

65 posted on 08/02/2004 4:22:18 AM PDT by Coop (In memory of a true hero - Pat Tillman)
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To: BagCamAddict
Let's put that energy into moving forward

So you want us to Move On? How Dem-like of you.

66 posted on 08/02/2004 4:23:13 AM PDT by Coop (In memory of a true hero - Pat Tillman)
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To: conservative in nyc

Asked for comment, John Kerry deplored the issuance of terror warnings, saying "These terror warnings serve no purpose but to scare the people into supporting a trumped-up terror war." Asked what he would do differently, he responded "Well....I'd do more of them." (/sarcasm)


67 posted on 08/02/2004 4:29:56 AM PDT by guitfiddlist (Hate is a DNC Family Value)
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To: conservative in nyc
What purpose does it serve to be so specific?

Because the President has said that when specific and credible information is available and can be shared with the public, it will be. Because we have a President who does what he says he will do.

Prairie

68 posted on 08/02/2004 4:49:37 AM PDT by prairiebreeze (John Kerry sucked face with a rodent.)
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To: conservative in nyc

Not to throw any cold water on this business of the last 24 hours, but does anyone remember The Man Who Never Was with Clifton Webb?


69 posted on 08/02/2004 4:51:51 AM PDT by xkaydet65 (" You have never tasted freedom my friend, else you would know, it is purchased not with gold, but w)
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To: thoughtomator

70 posted on 08/02/2004 5:15:32 AM PDT by kinghorse
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To: conservative in nyc
Why let the bad guys know how we know?

Maybe our intel agencies are using the NYT to create doubts about how safe it is for the terrorists to use the Internet to communicate.

Also, since the suspect has been in custody for weeks, his Qaeda buddies already know we have him anyway.

Undoubtedly, this in the NYT because it serves the purposes of our intel agencies.
71 posted on 08/02/2004 5:16:36 AM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: Happy2BMe
WASHINGTON, Aug. 1 - The unannounced capture of a figure from Al Qaeda in Pakistan several weeks ago led the Central Intelligence Agency to the rich lode of information that prompted the terror alert on Sunday, according to senior American officials." "The figure, Muhammad Naeem Noor Khan, was described by a Pakistani intelligence official as a 25-year-old computer engineer, arrested July 13, who had used and helped to operate a secret Qaeda communications system where information was transferred via coded messages.

there was some speculation on fox and friends this AM that when this computer engineer was captured, the code keys for encrypted messages was captured intact, allowing intelligence experts to decode a wealth of previously undecipherable data. Seems plausible to me, and is somewhat reminiscent of the U.S. capture of German cipher equipment during W.W. II.

BAD NEWS OSAMA, WE'RE READING YER MAIL !!.

Slainte,

CC

72 posted on 08/02/2004 6:15:20 AM PDT by Celtic Conservative ("Let’s not forget: The Clintons’ marriage is a dynastic marriage of ambitious swine.”)
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To: John Jorsett

It's been "sanitized" of those un-PC terms, long before it hits the papers. They don't want to piss-off the Muzzies.


73 posted on 08/02/2004 6:24:52 AM PDT by 7.62 x 51mm (• Veni • Vidi • Vino • Visa • "I came, I saw, I drank wine, I shopped")
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To: conservative in nyc
Isn't it amazing once the Bush plan for all agencies to act together rather than the Jamie Gorlicke wall erected by the Clinton administration, what can happen in intelligence? John Kerry VOTED to reduce funding for the intelligence community by $7.5 billion, including a bill that he introduced in 1995 that called for the reduction in funding for the intelligence committees and intelligence communities by $300 million a year for five consecutive years!”

GO PRESIDENT BUSH!!!

74 posted on 08/02/2004 6:48:44 AM PDT by yoe (Bill Clinton lied again to the Nation – his Convention speech was 90% bogus.)
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To: snooker
1. Tell all you can so we all can stop the terrorists, i.e. maybe a citizen spots them, All hands on deck approach.

Also, letting them know that we know and that we're prepared may make them drop these plans. As someone who lives a few blocks from the NYSE and survived 9/11, I prefer this to waiting and giving them more of an opportunity to blow us up again.

75 posted on 08/02/2004 7:12:33 AM PDT by NYC GOP Chick (Which FReeper likes to threaten to beat up women?)
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To: BagCamAddict

Clinton had EIGHT YEARS -- from Somalia and the first WTC bombing through the USS Cole -- to do something, and didn't have the guts to do anything but kick the proverbial can down the road.

If he had done something more than lobbing a few cruise missiles at a third world aspirin factory -- oddly timed to coincide with his ex-girlfriend's grand jury testimony -- we might not be in the situation we currently find ourselves.


76 posted on 08/02/2004 7:16:38 AM PDT by NYC GOP Chick (Which FReeper likes to threaten to beat up women?)
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To: BagCamAddict

I agree that re-electing Bush is one of the most important things we can do to defeat the terrorists! But if we let the media rewrite history and try to lay everything at Bush's feet (as with this "new al qaeda" bull$hit), that makes it that much harder to keep him in office.

We have no choice but to remind people that al qaeda was, essentially, allowed to grow and roam around unfettered on Clinton's watch. People *have* to know that it was his cowardice and fecklessness that allowed them to metastasize, instead of being cut off at the knees.


77 posted on 08/02/2004 7:22:50 AM PDT by NYC GOP Chick (Which FReeper likes to threaten to beat up women?)
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To: tiki

I know you're joking, but there is an element of truth to that!


78 posted on 08/02/2004 7:27:27 AM PDT by NYC GOP Chick (Which FReeper likes to threaten to beat up women?)
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To: BagCamAddict
I'm actually trying to figure out when/why the terrorism spiked and has continued to grow since 1979. Terrorists always try to blame it on "the Israel thing", but that happened long before 1979, so what was the significance of 1979... anyone know?

Perhaps the fundamentalist Islam takeover of Iran? Maybe that radicalized the whole fetid region, and encouraged the bastards?

79 posted on 08/02/2004 7:38:34 AM PDT by NYC GOP Chick (Which FReeper likes to threaten to beat up women?)
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To: conservative in nyc
Why let the bad guys know how we know?

Indeed. Obviously, we had some nice intercepted communciations traffic from this source. Just as obviously, Al Qaeda knows from this article that the methods involved have gone bust.

You don't have to do that and somebody should know better.

80 posted on 08/02/2004 7:38:58 AM PDT by VadeRetro
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