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the US needs to be serious about fusion energy. the promise is too great to ignore. beats me how to go about doing it...beyond putting together great minds and money. certainly the risks of remaining with the current energy regime mount daily.
1 posted on 08/01/2004 9:48:39 AM PDT by ckilmer
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To: ckilmer

A site for a fusion project. May I suggest Iran, Syria, or North Korea. Oh, you want a controlled reaction. How about Cape Cod right next to the wind farm that won't get built.


2 posted on 08/01/2004 9:54:18 AM PDT by USNBandit (Florida military absentee voter number 537.)
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To: ckilmer

At least China was not one of the options.


3 posted on 08/01/2004 9:58:09 AM PDT by PersonalLiberties (An honest politician is one who, when he's bought, stays bought. -Simon Cameron, political boss)
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To: ckilmer

I think fusion energy is a joke.


4 posted on 08/01/2004 9:58:38 AM PDT by staytrue
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To: ckilmer
We need to pull out of ITER and go our own way. No international partnerships. It just builds up their HR and physical infrastructure and diminishes our. When ITER was proposed the DOE told us that it would not interrupt domestic Fusion research.

We waste 100 of billions of dollars on highway pork alone. In two years CERN is going to give the EU a lock on High Energy Physics (with $600 million of our dollars, I might add.)

This is exceedingly bad news. This is the beginning of the end of our leadership in science, all because of ignorant and short sighted politicians on both sides of the aisle.

The French will stall until they get it. They will be come leader in the field based on our monies. I knew this would happen. We really need to get out if this and return to the historic pattern on US only energy research Armour nation interest. That is how we got our great scientific and technical leadership of the Cold War. The rot started with the cancellation of the Super Conducting Collider, really took off with the $50 billion boondangle (and technical transfer) of the ISS and now we arrive to the point that we are canceling our research plan to support Europes. It is all so stupid and needless. Or politician have given up on the nation. Years ago we would have not even considered such a thing. How decadent we have become.

If Kerry wins he will certainly give this over to the French.

They say it is "just politics" but it is really about the American taxpayer not getting fleeced. This new disgust me, I had thought better of the DOE under Bush.

7 posted on 08/01/2004 10:07:28 AM PDT by CasearianDaoist
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To: ckilmer; Willie Green
It isn't the money so much as the lack of ideas. The US should build ITER, the Superconducting Supercollider, set up a moon base, set up a Mars base, establish private property rights in outer space, build nuclear plants all over the West, build desalinization plants all over the West, and connect all top 100 cities with magnetic levitation trains inside tubes.

This should have been done 20 years ago. Ask your elected representative why this hasn't been done. Watch a confused look flash across his face.

10 posted on 08/01/2004 10:09:29 AM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and establish property rights)
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To: ckilmer

Nearly three decades ago I went on a tour of PPPL. The scientist leading the tour said that they were telling congress that they expected to build a working power station by the year 2000. I also once visited a national lab where there was a mothballed fusion test facility where over 350 million dollars had been spent before the plug was pulled. The combination of immense costs and the lack of ability to say for sure when practical results will be achieved, even within multiple decades, makes fusion power a tough sell.


11 posted on 08/01/2004 10:10:02 AM PDT by wideminded
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Good, now we can use the money for windpower.


19 posted on 08/01/2004 10:16:39 AM PDT by biblewonk (WELL I SPEAK LOUD, AND I CARRY A BIGGER STICK...AND I USE IT TOO.)
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To: ckilmer
One question I've not seen asked is, were the reactor built in France or Japan, exactly how would we collect our share of the energy it generates? This suggests we should build our own - probably somewhere in the midwest.

Another very good idea to become energy-independant that I'm surprised doesn't get any real press is for our culture to make better/smarter use of the Internet. If a person doesn't have to drive to work every day - if children didn't have to ride to school every day - I bet we could cut our fuel costs by 60%. It would also go a long way towards immunizing us not only from the threat of terrorism, but from the common cold as well!

20 posted on 08/01/2004 10:22:00 AM PDT by The Duke
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Awful news. We need a full-court press to develop technologies to render oil power obsolete. Fusion is an important part of that equation.
23 posted on 08/01/2004 10:30:53 AM PDT by Physicist
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To: ckilmer

I no a lot of physics and I remember that they split a hydrogen attom into one helium attom and one carbon attom.


24 posted on 08/01/2004 10:31:39 AM PDT by Lazamataz ("Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown" -- harpseal)
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To: ckilmer
the US needs to be serious about fusion energy. the promise is too great to ignore.

But as with manned space exploration and stem cells, the lesson for conservatives should be clear by now: let's not sit on our butts waiting for the government to do it! Advanced research is tricky and dangerous, and for these reasons - not because it's expensive - the federosaurus is not going to go adventuring on our behalf. Enterprises like this belong in the private sector, responsible to nothing and no one, engaged in by people who are willing to risk their lives.

28 posted on 08/01/2004 10:45:52 AM PDT by BlazingArizona
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To: ckilmer

No, the U.S. needs to get serious about new-gen fission reactors. There should be an "X-Prize" for designing a low-CAPEX, failsafe fission powerplant.


30 posted on 08/01/2004 10:55:45 AM PDT by eno_ (Freedom Lite, it's almost worth defending.)
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To: Frank_Discussion; RightWhale

hard science ping

please ping the other "usual suspects" - I am drawing a blank on their userIDs. thanks


33 posted on 08/01/2004 11:11:29 AM PDT by King Prout ("Thou has been found guilty and convicted of malum zambonifactum most foul... REPENT!)
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To: ckilmer

Smokescreen. Noise.

Other options have been proven to some, for a long time.

When the puppet masters will allow them out is another issue.


61 posted on 08/01/2004 2:18:03 PM PDT by Quix (PRAYER WARRIORS, DO YOUR STUFF! LIVES, SOULS AND NATIONS DEPEND ON IT)
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To: ckilmer
"the US, the European Union, China, Japan, South Korea, and Russia – cannot agree"

We shouldn't be doing advanced physics reasearch with China in any event. How stupid are we?!!! And no way should be put it in France, because they will immediately surrender it.

This is something the US should probably do own it's own.

71 posted on 08/01/2004 6:50:44 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: FairOpinion

last tech/sci ping for the night.


81 posted on 05/18/2005 7:34:12 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (FR profiled updated Tuesday, May 10, 2005. Fewer graphics, faster loading.)
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82 posted on 05/18/2005 7:53:41 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (FR profiled updated Tuesday, May 10, 2005. Fewer graphics, faster loading.)
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