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To: jmstein7; The Sailor; kjfine; Old Sarge; USAF_TSgt; darkwing104; txradioguy; Long Cut; ...

Distribute this post to everybody who wonders
about President Bush
and his service during Vietnam.

George W Bush's military record vs John Kerry's military record

Aerospaceweb.org was started in 2000 to provide information regarding a wide range
of aerospace-related fields, including aircraft design, spacecraft design, aerodynamics,
and aerospace history.

http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/history/q0185.shtml

...Nevertheless, we have established that the F-102 was serving in combat in Vietnam at the time Bush
enlisted to become an F-102 pilot. In fact, pilots from the 147th FIG of the Texas ANG were
routinely rotated to Vietnam for combat duty under a program called "Palace Alert" from 1968 to 1970.
Palace Alert was an Air Force program that sent qualified F-102 pilots from the ANG to bases in Europe
or southeast Asia for periods of three to six months for frontline duty.
Fred Bradley, a friend of Bush's who was also serving in the Texas ANG, reported that he and Bush
inquired about participating in the Palace Alert program. However, the two were told by a superior,
MAJ Maurice Udell, that they were not yet qualified since they were still in training
and did not have the 500 hours of flight experience required. Furthermore, ANG veteran
COL William Campenni, who was a fellow pilot in the 111th FIS at the time,
told the Washington Times that Palace Alert was winding down and not accepting new applicants....
...
The point of this discussion is that the military record of George W. Bush deserves a fair treatment.
Bush has been criticized for avoiding service in Vietnam, though the evidence proves that
the Texas Air National Guard and its F-102 pilots where serving in Vietnam while Bush was in training.
Bush has been criticized for using his family influence to obtain his assignment,
but the evidence shows that he successfully completed every aspect of the more than
two years of training required of him.
Bush has been criticized for pursuing a safe and plush position as a fighter pilot,
but the evidence indicates the F-102 was a demanding aircraft whose pilots regularly risked their lives.
Bush has also been criticized for deserting the Guard before his enlistment was complete,
but the evidence shows he was honorably discharged eight months early because his position
was being phased out...
...
While it is not our goal to compare and contrast the records of the candidates on this subject,
the fact that the questioner cites John Kerry's military service makes us feel it necessary to comment.
It is interesting to note that there are just as many, if not more,
irregularities in Kerry's military record as there are in Bush's.
Kerry can certainly be praised for some of the actions he performed while in the line of duty,
but his record does contain some troubling portions as well.
Not the least of these is his involvement in the controversial group
Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW) while he was still an active-duty member of the US Navy.
Kerry's testimony before Congress as VVAW spokesman in 1971,
during which he accused soldiers serving in Vietnam of being war criminals,
was found to be based on largely falsifed information as documented by Wikipedia.
The Boston Globe has also reported on troubling accusations regarding the circumstances
surrounding Kerry's medals, particularly his first two purple hearts awarded for
minor injuries that may even have been self-inflicted.

John Kerry's record

http://www.scaryjohnkerry.com/vietnam.htm

DD 214 shows 17 Feb 72 terminal date of Reserve Obligation for John Kerry

http://www.johnkerry.com/pdf/jkmilservice/DD214.pdf

Kerry's anti war activities were doing this period!

What is Senator John Kerry's relationship to VVAW?

http://www.vvaw.org/faq/#4

Since Vietnam Veterans Against the War's inception in 1967, tens of thousands of vets, GIs and supporters have participated in and supported the actions of VVAW. One of those members in the early 1970s was John Kerry. Kerry was appointed to the VVAW Executive Committee to assist in preparing Dewey Canyon III, VVAW's limited incursion into the land of Congress in 1971 (Nicosia, 98-99). Kerry made his greatest contribution to the anti-war movement and to VVAW in his speech to the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations on April 23, 1971 (Brinkley, 371-373: Hunt, 109-110; Nicosia, 136-138; Wells, 495).

Content of the speech is found at:

http://lists.village.virginia.edu/sixties/HTML_docs/Resources/Primary/Manifestos/VVAW_Kerry_Senate.html.

By 1972, John Kerry had moved on from VVAW (Brinkley, 406: Hunt, 127-128; Nicosia, 211).

He was not one of the original founding members of VVAW in 1967.


16 posted on 07/31/2004 8:32:32 AM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Support Our Troops!)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

BTTT!!!!!!


17 posted on 07/31/2004 8:34:15 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Good post, real good.


18 posted on 07/31/2004 8:35:54 AM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
!!!!!!!!

free dixie,sw

21 posted on 07/31/2004 8:43:10 AM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. -T. Jefferson)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
Thanks for the ping Tonk,We need these true heros voice heard.

You just know there has to be someone whos pockets as
Little commie soros.

Wake up america before it's to late.


27 posted on 07/31/2004 10:53:31 AM PDT by BobbyK (The Truth Is Out There.)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

29 posted on 07/31/2004 11:10:39 AM PDT by ppaul
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; All
Want to make a 'statement'...??? (FREEPERS - Here is that CHANCE!)

This from The Federalist - http://www.federalist.com - yesterday...

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(Please forward this invitation to friends, family members, and fellow American Patriots.)

It's official. John F. Kerry is the Democrat Party nominee for President. But is he fit for office?

Kerry has a long and well-documented history of providing "aid and comfort" to the enemy in time of war -- particularly in the case of North Vietnam, Nicaragua and Cuba. Kerry, by his own account of his actions and protests, violated the UCMJ, the Geneva Conventions and the U.S. Code while serving as a Navy officer. Kerry met, on two occasions, with North Vietnamese negotiators in 1970 and 1971, willingly placing himself in violation of Article three, Section three of the U.S. Constitution, which defines treason as "giving aid and comfort" to the enemy in time of warfare.

Kerry was recognized for such "aid and comfort" in 1983, when he received an award for special contributions to the Communist victory from the incoming general secretary of the Communist Party of Vietnam, Comrade Do Moi. (See photos at http://kerry-04.org/war/record.php ).

Thus, in accordance with the Constitution's Fourteenth Amendment, Section 3, which states, "No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President ... having previously taken an oath ... to support the Constitution of the United States, [who has] engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof," We, the People of these United States, believe John F. Kerry is unfit for public office.

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34 posted on 07/31/2004 1:00:24 PM PDT by Seadog Bytes ("Benedict Arnold used to be a "war hero" too ...before he became a Traitor.")
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Thanks for the ping and the info, Tonk! Just what I need!!
I've been getting e-mails from someone I know (a Dim. UGH!) on this subject and this is perfect ammo to fight back with. :-)


38 posted on 07/31/2004 2:21:17 PM PDT by radu (May God watch over our troops and keep them safe)
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39 posted on 07/31/2004 2:32:36 PM PDT by Smartass ( BUSH & CHENEY IN 2004 - Si vis pacem, para bellum - Por el dedo de Dios se escribió.)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

bump to the top


43 posted on 07/31/2004 3:36:12 PM PDT by Soaring Feather
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Bump!


44 posted on 07/31/2004 4:08:23 PM PDT by windchime (Podesta about Bush: "He's got four years to try to undo all the stuff we've done." (TIME-1/22/01))
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Bump!


47 posted on 07/31/2004 8:33:36 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Thanks for the ping, Tonk. I am sharing this with vets who are conservatives, who have yet to register with FR. I will keep trying. We can use all the help we can get to keep Bush in office.


48 posted on 07/31/2004 8:34:39 PM PDT by Former Military Chick (I previously posted under Military Chick)
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