Posted on 07/30/2004 6:32:12 PM PDT by JackelopeBreeder
No More Deaths, a volunteer coalition composed of advocacy groups whose work is to support illegal immigrants with water and medical aid, recently held a meeting in Bisbee to train volunteers in dealing with both law enforcement and illegal border crossers they refer to as "guests".
The primary speaker for the workshop was Margo Cowan, who has defended undocumented people for 35 years. Cowan was indicted in 1972 by the Nixon Administration on 52 counts of aiding and abetting illegal aliens; the charges were dropped by former President Jimmy Carter. Cowan currently serves as legal counsel to Rep. Raul Grijalva.
Lupe Castillo and Kat Rodriguez of Derechos Humanos were also in attendance to educate the 30 volunteers, many of whom traveled from out of state to attend the training meeting. Derechos Humanos openly states that their goal is to open the borders and abolish the Border Patrol.
The stated purpose of No More Deaths (No Mas Muertes) is to provide humanitarian aid for undocumented migrants; to prevent their deaths in the desert, and to do so in a non-violent way, while not cooperating with Border Patrol. As one participant said, "It's not my job to call Border Patrol-why should I interfere with their destiny?"
No More Deaths members, in cooperation with church groups, provide food and water for immigrants being detained by Border Patrol, and also in the "field" working out of mobile RV aid stations set up in Arivaca and Douglas, Arizona.
Cowan stated that for every immigrant death reported by authorities, there are 10 more that go unreported. There are no statistical facts from U.S. local, state or federal data or Mexican consulates to verify whether the statement is true. Cowan and others at the meeting routinely referred to illegal aliens as "our children." Cowan said it is important to set up aid stations in Cochise County because the Tucson Border Patrol sector is now focusing attention on the most active crossing points. Because Border Patrol estimates 5 (illegal aliens) come through for every one caught, Cowan is concerned for the safety of the 5 million "friends," as she refers to illegal immigrants, who have illegally entered the United States.
She said the rate of recidivism (those who've crossed, been caught, and re-crossed) is so low as to be described as "statistically insignificant" by the Border Patrol. And, although the Border Patrol claims that they have caught more felons, Cowan stated that is just a label that can be applied to undocumented aliens depending upon how many times they've been apprehended while crossing the border. Since October 1, 2003, the start of their fiscal year, Border Patrol reports that as of July 15, agents have apprehended 8,283 convicted felons attempting to cross back into the United States after being deported. If Border Patrol is catching only one in five, that means that up to 20,000 convicted criminals could have entered the country in that same period.
Cowan boasted that with 2 to 3 million "guests" coming through every year, the U.S. Attorney can't prosecute every one, so they decide to go after the coyotes. As a result of rapes, robberies and other abuses at the hands of smugglers, groups of undocumented migrants are less likely to rely on coyotes to guide them across the border. Often a group of "guests" will appoint a person (who has crossed and been caught) to be their leader, and each person will give him $50 or so for taking the responsibility as the guide if the group is caught.
Cowan told the group of new volunteers that they cannot aid or abet aliens in furtherance of their illegal status in the U.S. How they get away with bending but not breaking the law, is under much scrutiny by Border Patrol and other federal law enforcement agencies who are beginning to keep an eye on the groups who provide aid to illegal aliens. Cowan says ignorance is the key. "All you have to do, the most important thing is, to not ask if they are illegal or where they are from!" Cowan says if they are in the United States, then if volunteers don't ask, they can assume they are helping citizens. Many of their aid stations are only a few hundred feet from the border fence. The same is true of water stations set up on BLM land by the Tucson based Humane Borders group.
No More Deaths volunteers, can, and will transport possible illegal aliens to receive medical help. Cowan's strategy, "You can ask them questions to see how they are feeling, and observe their condition. There is a list of approved doctors and nurses that a volunteer can call to get an OK to take the migrant, for a medical evaluation." Cowan said as long as you have permission from one of the doctors or registered nurses in the "friends network" then you can legally transport them. The group claims to have a list of such doctors that volunteers can call to get permission to transport the "guests".
A volunteer suggested putting magnetized Samaritan signs with a red cross on the cars when approaching undocumented migrants or when transporting them, so that everyone will know their mission is a medically necessary or humanitarian effort. Another volunteer said that doctors he had worked with in the organization had said that if a person is crossing the desert in the summer, regardless of whether or not they look sick, they all need medical help. If anyone in the "friends network" were stopped by Border Patrol, while transporting aliens in their cars, volunteers were instructed to identify themselves as being with No More Deaths, since there is "an umbrella of political protection" associated with the group. And they should also say that they were taking the aliens for a medical evaluation in Tucson at St. Mary's Hospital or for respite at South Side Presbyterian Church (home of Humane Borders).
According to Cowan, "we are transparent," so there is no attempt to conceal undocumented migrants by making them lie down in the back seat or hide in the trunk. Someone asked, "Is it legal to take them home with you, like if you need to pick up the list of doctors and nurses you need to take them to?" Cowan said, "Yes, but you must take them there," (to medical help).
"If you meet a group and some are in distress, and others are not, you cannot transport those who are OK," Cowan answered. "We encourage people who want to (transport those who are OK) to do that, on their own, but we don't want to get in trouble, so we don't do that as a group, under the name No More Deaths," Cowan warned the volunteers.
Another question that arose was if a "friend" doctor recommended a 48-hour respite, could the volunteer take the aliens home, let them take a shower, and then let them use the phone at the end of that period of time? Cowan said that although a church designated as a respite center was preferable, it was all right to do this, but if the alien calls out on your home phone, you want to make sure your ID is blocked, as you do not want coyotes knowing your number.
Kat Rodriguez asked, "How do they get from your home to the bus, or other transportation (if you are not allowed to transport them)?" Others also wanted to know if it was legal to give them some money for their trip.
Cowan responded: "Almost everyone coming over has family here who will come and pick them up. Public transportation is just too dangerous." Other volunteers were still puzzled and asked further about how to aid aliens in resuming their journey after a medically recommended respite. Then Cowan added, "This is just what No More Deaths recommends legally; other friends do other pieces." No More Deaths official policy is "We can't do this piece-other people do this piece, just in case there are some government spies here. It's important for us to do everything to keep the criminal enterprise part away from our humanitarian efforts," Cowan explained. The volunteers smiled and laughed.
Later Cowan added that most volunteers in the group might know someone who would "do the other piece" but there is no organized group to perform transportation functions for the "guests". Cowan warned the volunteers that if they are detained for any reason by law enforcement while transporting an alien, the case must be turned over to the state's attorney, whose decision it will be either to dismiss it or to prosecute.
The group debated if it was legal to give "guests" a map, so that they knew where they were and how to get to where they were going.
Cowan said that it was a legal gray area; and "we are concerned that people may misinterpret them (the maps) and they won't be helpful."
Others in the group shared stories about Border Patrol agents who did not want them to give water or food to alien detainees in the field, and they were assured that it is perfectly legal to give them the "Know Your Rights" card, and to share food and water with them. Cowan said those agents who are resistant to No More Deaths volunteers' help are: "young agents, scared to death, based on lack of knowledge, substantively and culturally, of whom they are dealing with."
Kat Rodriguez said, "God forbid you feed a felon."
The group discussed the necessity of getting a written commitment from local law enforcement (cities, county sheriffs) to not enforce immigration law, since only the Department of Homeland Security has the authority to inquire into a person's legal status in this country.
As far as the Border Patrol is concerned, they have no authority over you while you are on private property, and that includes churches that may be used for respites.
One of the speakers claimed that there were no kitchens in the detention facilities, and sometimes people there said they had not been fed for 48 hours. She wanted to know if the group cared to organize an effort to bring a mobile kitchen to the incarceration facility to feed the "guests".
Toward the end of the meeting, Lupe Castillo, a volunteer coordinator added, "Let's not get so wrapped up in humanitarian aid that we forget our principle effort is in changing border and immigration policy."
Ping!
The primary speaker for the workshop was Margo Cowan, who has defended undocumented people for 35 years. Cowan was indicted in 1972 by the Nixon Administration on 52 counts of aiding and abetting illegal aliens; the charges were dropped by former President Jimmy Carter. Cowan currently serves as legal counsel to Rep. Raul Grijalva.
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, Over??
And again and again and again and again....
Of course he doesn't have to prove anything --- and his numbers are absurd.
Even the hardest working are CRIMINAL INVADERS!
In paragraph 7:
1."the rate of recidivism ... is so low as to be ... statistically insignificant"
2."felons... is just a label that can be applied ...depending upon how many times they've been apprehended..."
3."..as of July 15, agents have apprehended 8,283 convicted felons attempting to cross..."
So...when they use the word "felon" they don't mean a criminal, they just mean someone who has tried more than once. The rate of apprehended crossers who try again is insgnificant, yet they have caught 8,283 of them in the last 15 days.
Do these things all go together?
You're on the right track with your thoughts, but your reading of the article is a little skewed.
When they say 'felons', they really do mean felons and they're not talking about the 'felony' of trying to reenter the US.
When the article says 'as of July 15', that is the period from the beginning of the fiscal year - 1 October '03 - until 7/15.
Nope.
1. The coyotes openly brag that all of their customers eventually make it across if they don't give up. Get caught on Monday; make it on Tuesday.
2. The first apprehension is a misdemeanor; all subsequent apprehensions are felonies. The felonies mutiply with the lifestyle. If a US citizen engaged in document fraud, welfare fraud, tax evasion, etc., I don't think Uncle Suck would pass it off as a minor social faux pas.
3. That should read ."..as of July 15, agents have apprehended 8,283 (violent, previously deported) convicted felons attempting to cross (again and carry on with their normal behavior pattern...)"
OK, I see a bit. I read "as of" and interpreted it to mean "since". I understand that error.
It still seems to me as if our compassionate dimwit is saying that the BP attaches the title "felon" to repeat crossers in an attempt to discount the seriousness of the label, then quotes BP stats describing over 8000 of these people. Eight thousand doesn't seem like a neglegible figure, even with my better undestanding of the time frame.
I'm not going to aid and abet but I will not let a fellow human being die when I can prevent it. I do call the Border Patrol when I come across one .
I know --- but when I drive by and see these old people who I know are from Mexico out working in the fields in 100 plus temperature --- and then see how some of the legals are very lazy and never did work but get all kinds of taxpayer money --- I think I'd trade some around --- deport the welfare legals and let the harder working illegals stay in their place.
It irks me because it seems any one --- even someone already on government assistance of some form themselves, can bring over their relatives who have no ability to work and let the taxpayers provide for them --- yet the INS detention center here had some 75 year old guy who was extremely distraught about finding himself behind bars, he had only come to work because his family was desperate. He didn't see how taking a lowly job could be a crime and he had never been in jail in his whole life.
Not that what he did was right --- but I'd trade him for that lazier bunch we also see that happens to be here legally.
Numbers are wild and wonderful. The BP nabbed about 905,000 here on the border last year. They guesstimate they caught maybe one in five, so it might be that 3.6 million made it across safely. But then again, most of that 905,000 tried again and made it, too. So what is the true number?
Praise Allah and pass the guacamole.
A felon is someone who committed a felony crime --- and there are many felons coming over the border --- it's actually a misdemeanor at most to have just been found on the wrong side of the border.
The border patrol is very lenient actually on Mexicans. If they encounter one here illegally --- as long as the illegal doesn't claim US citizenship, present stolen or fake documents, they can choose "voluntary departure" which doesn't go on their record. They can do the voluntary departure over and over and over --- as long as they don't misrepresent their citizenship or were found committing another crime, that's all they get. The only thing they might have to lie about is having a job.
I understand but they should revolt from their slime
ball leaders.
I know what you mean -- and I'd bet a healthy sum that the evil "vigilante gangs" here in Cochise County have already rescued more illegals than these goofballs ever will. The only difference is we always turn them over to the Border Patrol.
IIRC, the label more appropriately fits persons in Cowan's business who aid and abet Illegaliens....
I lost track of which article we were discussing!
This is the one about the workshop held in Bisbee to teach people how to help the illegals survive, but the real goal of the group is to circumvent our national borders.
With that in mind, I don't place a whole lot of credence in the validity of the workshop leader's rhetoric, especially where it helps her cause and hurts ours.
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