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Why MS Windows isn't ready for the Desktop
The Linux Box ^ | 30 July 2004 | Sean Parsons

Posted on 07/30/2004 10:19:40 AM PDT by ShadowAce

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1 posted on 07/30/2004 10:19:41 AM PDT by ShadowAce
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To: rdb3; TechJunkYard; Knitebane; Bush2000; Golden Eagle; Salo; JoJo Gunn; BigSkyFreeper; ...

Friday Tech Ping


2 posted on 07/30/2004 10:20:46 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: Eagle9; zeugma

Friday tech ping


3 posted on 07/30/2004 10:24:22 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ShadowAce
A modern desktop system should not just sport an intuitive and pleasant look and feel, but it should also be secure, stable, offer file compatibility, and be easy to configure for a plethora of uses ranging from office tools to multimedia handling. MS Windows is so far behind in these various areas that it may not ever catch up to its GNU/Linux counter part.

Sorry, there's just no point in reading beyond this partisan poop.

My experience has been that the MS Office products have wonderful file compatibility features, including with a variety of non-MS products. And it's been a long time since I had any difficulty plugging in a new whatsis of any sort.

4 posted on 07/30/2004 10:26:03 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: ShadowAce
Lessee - haven't seen the BSOD since 1998 (which was the fault of a certain author of a certain book), no crashes since - uhhhhh - I can't remember. No lockups - ever. No viruses since uh....'bout 98, too (which was my fault). Runs on every piece of hardware I've ever installed it on when Linux wouldn't (and even ran on a machine it wasn't supposed to run on). Runs every piece of software with no problems..

Yep - makes me wanna switch.

5 posted on 07/30/2004 10:26:21 AM PDT by TomServo ("I'm so upset that I'll binge on a Saltine.")
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To: ShadowAce
{yawn}
6 posted on 07/30/2004 10:28:27 AM PDT by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary. You have the right to be wrong.)
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To: TomServo

Agreed. XP is rock solid on my personal and business machines. Win v3.1, 95 and 98 were pretty shakey, in comparison. I won't be switching anytime soon, either.


7 posted on 07/30/2004 10:29:56 AM PDT by 7.62 x 51mm (• Veni • Vidi • Vino • Visa • "I came, I saw, I drank wine, I shopped")
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To: r9etb
My experience has been that the MS Office products have wonderful file compatibility features, including with a variety of non-MS products

I believe the author's point is (especially with respect the text you cited), that MS Office is not included with Windows. You have to buy that application separately, while the Linux tools mentioned are included with the Linux OS distribution.

Wordpad does not offer the file compatibility, nor the formatting capabilities that the full-blown version of Word has.
8 posted on 07/30/2004 10:43:30 AM PDT by babyface00
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To: ShadowAce
Oh yeah! When the Amiga finally comes back, all your operating systems are belong to us...

BOING PING!

9 posted on 07/30/2004 10:47:21 AM PDT by Stars N Stripes ('... you burned me!! ... and you stole my new mama...' "Hells Angels '69")
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To: ShadowAce
WinXP Pro is solid and runs *everything* I need to run, including some very obscure things I use for my business.

So you can do word processing and spreadsheets on Linux - modern computing needs go far beyond that, and "just about as good" isn't good enough. People have developed apps for everything you can imagine, running under Windows.

When a Linux variant comes along that can run native WinXP apps out of the box, at real speeds, then they'll have something. And even then, what'll they have? Something that runs Windows apps. I already have that.

What's unique about Linux that Windows can't do? I don't care if the OS is free - I'm not that much of a cheapskate. I've got work to do.

10 posted on 07/30/2004 10:49:43 AM PDT by Hank Rearden (Refuse to allow anyone who could only get a government job tell you how to run your life.)
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To: TomServo
With my experience with 2K and XP, my major problems have come from third party software and hardware issues.

Last time I saw a BSOD it was due to my overclocking my CPU and memory.

MS has issues, but being the easier to use, most compatible desktop environment is not one of them.

I can install a wireless card in old laptop with XP in under five minutes, not the case with Red Hat.
11 posted on 07/30/2004 10:54:56 AM PDT by CyberCowboy777 (Veritas vos liberabit)
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MS has issues, but being the easier to use, most compatible desktop environment is not one of them.

Agreed. As you know - all OS's have issues. None of which are insurmountable. It all depends on how much time you wish to spend dealing with those issues.

12 posted on 07/30/2004 10:59:28 AM PDT by TomServo ("I'm so upset that I'll binge on a Saltine.")
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I've managed to crash my XP Pro system a few times. I believe the cheap-ass unstable hardware I have it running on is responsible for that. It does everything I need, most media will play in WMP, and IE is compatible with all those websites out there using ActiveX and other MS developments. It does the job for what I need it to do.

Now, I've dealt with Linux systems quite a bit at work. I've gotten tired of dealing with the myriad kernel versions and incompatible versions of various important libraries and modules (glibc being a big one). Now, admitedly, your average user isn't going to be loading Informix and Oracle database servers on a daily basis, but when these type of issues occur they can be very difficult to figure out. When I go to install something that says it will run on WinXP, it nearly always does, with no hassles.

MS Windows has its shortcomings, particular in the security area, but the various Linuxes (how many different flavours are there out there, currently?) aren't all this article makes them out to be, either.


13 posted on 07/30/2004 11:16:08 AM PDT by -YYZ-
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To: ShadowAce
Another way that Linux is superior to windows is how the installtion of software is handled.

For instance, I just attempted to upgrade Mozilla. I run the nightlies so I can bug hunt during my regular surfing so I went to the Mozilla nightly page and downloaded last night's build with the full installer.

Before I installed it, I renamed the existing mozilla installtion:
sudo mv /usr/local/mozilla /usr/local/mozilla.20040730
I untarred the installer and ran it.(as root) It installed itself into /usr/local/mozilla, which is the default. Then I attempted to run it. For whatever reason I got a segfault, which means the application crashed and burned. Not a good thing, as it is hard to surf if it won't run.

To recover from this failure, all I had to do was execute the following two commands...
sudo rm -rf /usr/local/mozilla
sudo mv /usr/local/mozilla.20040730 /usr/local/mozilla

Granted, with most windows installations, you'd have an icon to click to uninstall the program, but I know from experience that it is almost impossible to get most programs completely uninstalled without doing some registry and file hacking. However, in this case, I'd completely restored back to the previous (working) version with no trouble whatsoever, and can be confident there is nothing left hanging around that may cause problems for me in the future.

Frankly, IMO the biggest issue with MSWindows is the registry. Many years ago, the '.ini' files were bad enough, but they were replaced by microsoft with a nightmare that was much worse.

14 posted on 07/30/2004 11:50:51 AM PDT by zeugma (The Great Experiment is over and the Constitution is dead.)
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To: 7.62 x 51mm
Agreed. XP is rock solid on my personal and business machines. Win v3.1, 95 and 98 were pretty shakey, in comparison. I won't be switching anytime soon, either.

I tried the switch to Mandrake Linux OS 9.x, did a great job installing and worked like a charm. One Problem, did not support my printers at all. I have used Windows from 2.11 up. I agree with you, Windows, with all it's problems still gives me the most flexibility beyond the OS. I will ride it out with MS as well.

I do like the fact that a Flavored xNIX is trying to gain a foothold in the market, I am just not sure when they will be able to compete, even for free.

15 posted on 07/30/2004 12:31:38 PM PDT by BA63
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To: ShadowAce
I just left a computer forum I lurk at and found your ping. Don't know if this has been posted anywhere yet:

'Critical' IE Patch Released
By Ryan Naraine
July 30, 2004

As promised, Microsoft has released a monster patch to secure its flagship Internet Explorer (IE) browser from takeover attacks.

The software giant's out-of-cycle MS04-025 advisory included fixes for several "critical" bugs that have already lead to code execution attacks.

That cumulative patch, which replaces the MS04-004 bulletin, provides a comprehensive fix to the core vulnerability that led to the Download.Ject malware attack last month.

In that attack, malicious hackers exploited vulnerabilities in Microsoft's IIS 5.0 servers and IE to distribute malware programs.

Software products fixed with the latest patch include Windows NT Workstation 4.0, Windows NT Server 4.0, Windows 98, Windows Millennium Edition (Me), Windows 2000, Windows XP and Windows Server 2003.

The cumulative patch covers IE versions 5.01, 5.5 and 6.0.

According to the Microsoft alert, the flaws opened the door for attackers to install programs; view, change, or delete data; and create new accounts with full administrative privileges.

article source


16 posted on 07/30/2004 1:47:43 PM PDT by JoJo Gunn (Intellectuals exist only if you believe they do. ©)
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To: r9etb; All
this article is intended to spoof the plethora of articles

I think by spoof the author means he's trying to make a funny. I don't believe it's meant to be a serious article.

17 posted on 07/30/2004 3:29:53 PM PDT by yhwhsman ("Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small..." -Sir Winston Churchill)
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To: zeugma; ShadowAce
Another way that Linux is superior to windows is how the installtion of software is handled...I renamed the existing mozilla installtion: sudo mv /usr/local/mozilla /usr/local/mozilla.20040730...I untarred the installer and ran it.(as root) It installed itself into /usr/local/mozilla, which is the default. Then I attempted to run it. For whatever reason I got a segfault, which means the application crashed and burned. Not a good thing, as it is hard to surf if it won't run...To recover from this failure, all I had to do was execute the following two commands...sudo rm -rf /usr/local/mozilla...sudo mv /usr/local/mozilla.20040730 /usr/local/mozilla...

Sounds superior all right, ROFLMAO.

18 posted on 07/30/2004 3:32:42 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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Ah. Well, he shoulda made his point sooner then -- I didn't feel like reading Yet Another Article by an MS basher, and he did a good job starting out like one.

I read no further than the line I quoted.

19 posted on 07/30/2004 3:35:24 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: zeugma
However, in this case, I'd completely restored back to the previous (working) version with no trouble whatsoever, and can be confident there is nothing left hanging around that may cause problems for me in the future.

And I can do the same thing with Ghost. Some folks (on the Win side) haven't learned that, though. A lot of grief could be avoided by spending $30.00...

20 posted on 07/30/2004 3:36:31 PM PDT by TomServo ("I'm so upset that I'll binge on a Saltine.")
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