Posted on 07/25/2004 1:39:37 PM PDT by familyop
They can "marry." They are not owed public recognition. No one is stopping them from holding a "wedding" that is not recognized by the rest of us.
All behavior deemed offensive to any group will be outlawed.
These behaviors include spanking, prayer, wearing of religious ornaments, use of opinionated or poignant bumper stickers, uppity black people supporting conservative causes, gun ownership, action movies, nudity (of womyn), heterosexual intercourse (see rape), marriage, motherhood (see white slavery), public opposition of marxism/leninism, consumption of fatty foods, smoking, Atkins, cheesecake, candies, Valentine's day, Father's Day, Christmas, Yom Kippur, Hannukkah, Veteran's Day, Memorial Day, Capitalism, Entrepreneurship (see Capitalism), loud music, Sport-Utility-Vehicles, gasoline, CO2 production, breathing, passing wind, lumberjacking, camping, hunting, fishing, zoos, meat, animal husbandry, eggs, fish, poulty, fur, Roy Rogers, Huckleberry Finn, abstinence education, pastries, clothes with mixed fibers, plastic, glass, and the miniskirt.
I don't want to live in that world. If you do, kindly move to Antarctica and create it there.
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Why would you find it "amusing" that conservatives wish to conserve the definition of marriage that has been with this country since its birth?
And why, if you are hell bent on redefining marriage, would you limit it to two members of the same sex who engage in homosexual acts?
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Great lines, -- more than adequate, man.
A good test of effectiveness is the whining of the opposition.
You win, big time, on that score.
You got me on that one, except that public masturbation is indecency, which takes away a parent's ability to use public facilities with any expectation of comfort. There is really no substantial societal difference between public masturbation and fondling of other people without their consent. I believe what is being legislated with those particular rules is the affront to others with socially unwelcome behavior. This law is also particularly used and enforced where no general expectation of such behavior exists. For example, a public nudity statute would be unenforceable in a strip bar, as a general expectation of such behavior exists there, so it is unlikely that a person's sensibilities will be affronted. This doesn't exist for example, at McDonalds. There is a reasonable expectation that a visit to McDonald's will not result in the viewing of public fisting of a walrus. That's reasonable. If you had a sign in front of a business that said "Come in and witness the public fisting of a walrus" then such behavior would not run afoul of most statutes other than the animal cruelty. (Animal cruelty laws ARE inherently altruistic). So actually maybe you don't have me there. Most public decency laws actually are a reflection of expectation and are similar in wording to assault laws (not battery). Remember that assault is unwelcome speech or behavior which is delivered in a beligerent or impertinent manner, and is generally intended to hurt, cause discomfort, or offend another person. It is intended to cause HARM. Notice the similarities with decency law?
We the people have a right to define the foundational structure of our own culture.
17 The Ghost of FReepers Past
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We have defined the foundational structure of our own culture.
It's called the US Constituion.
The fact that ~you~ think a majority of Americans find a non issue like gay marriage offensive and contrary to their moral standards is not a constitutional factor in our republican form of government.
The majority does not rule in the USA.
I find it highly offensive and hurtful when the government teaches my child that homsexuality is equal to heterosexuality. Honestly, I would rather run into a flasher than two men making out on the street. When everyone starts defining everything for themselves, when there is no community standard allowed, then one person's indecency is another person's right to free expression. At some point you've just got to allow the community to define what is decent for themselves. Unless a town has a population of 1, these things affect everyone.
So who does rule in America? Let's ask Thomas Paine.
Excerpt from Thomas Paine's Common Sense
"But where says some is the king of America? I'll tell you Friend, he reigns above, and doth not make havoc of mankind like the Royal of Britain. Yet that we may not appear to be defective even in earthly honors, let a day be solemnly set apart for proclaiming the charter; let it be brought forth placed on the divine law, the word of God; let a crown be placed thereon, by which the world may know, that so far as we approve of monarchy, that in America the law is king. For as in absolute governments the king is law, so in free countries the law ought to be king; and there ought to be no other. But lest any ill use should afterwards arise, let the crown at the conclusion of the ceremony be demolished, and scattered among the people whose right it is. "
The reason to protect marriage is not so that people who are radically committed to the "gay" agenda will like us. Those who hate religious or moral principles and people who espouse them are going to continue to hate, no matter what happens. The hate is in their hearts, it isn't justified. IOW, radical homosexuals or those who hate religious believers and their beliefs are going to continue to hate someone or something, even if conservatives all of a sudden agree with them. The hate will just go somewhere else. IOW, those who hate don't do so because the objects of their hate are hateful.
Look, I know it's hard- it's even in direct opposite from our own human natures- but we have to love those who hate us. We have to bless those who curse us.
If you love someone who is driving off a cliff, you might raise your voice, shoot out his tires, or put a road block up, which might damage his car. He might get mad, not realizing you were trying to save his life. Blessing someone (and I thought blessings come from God, not fallen souls) has nothing to do with approving self and other destructive behavior. In fact, Jesus Christ was blessing the moneylenders when he whipped them. He was showing them the truth, maybe some of them woke up.
But it is a SIN to allow our salvation to make us feel superior than another. It is a festering evil in the soul. It is called PRIDE and it happens whenever one person is given reason to feel superior to another.
Your statements don't really make sense. Pride happens whenever someone "is given reason to feel" superior? What on earth are you saying? Are you saying that no one should make judgements whether behaviors are sinful or virtuous, healthy or non-healthy? "Is given reason"?
Stay in your homes. Go ahead and raise your children in a saccharine world where evil does not exist. Surround them with those who sing only of the praises of God. Then watch them live isolated lives, never even attempting to witness to others.
Are you angry? Are you feeling a little superior to those who express disapproval or intolerance of homosexual "marriage" or behavior? Kind of looks like it to me.
You can't be apart from the world AND affect it in any way.
Are you saying that in order to relate to others the truth of God, a person has to be wallowing in the mire with them? So in order to relate to meth tweakers, we have to go tweak with them so we won't feel superior? Or not tell them that meth kills? I don't get your point.
But they were also consumed with their own piety, emboldened by their religious fervor to point out flaws in others' characters.
So you're equating those who are endeavoring to protect marriage from destruction with the Pharisee who wanted to kill Jesus. I find that rather offensive.
I thought Jesus came to deliver us from that part of us.
Jesus came to save us from our rebellion against God. Comes in many flavors.
Oh, those hideous picture. They shouldn't be allowed. Why, the children who made it through the gauntlet might see what happened to maybe a brother or sister or two. Or some of the mothers might be reminded of what they're responsible for.
Oh, the hideous pictures. What about the hideuos murders?
We the people have defined the foundational structure of our own culture.
It's called the US Constituion.
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Excerpt from Thomas Paine's Common Sense
"But where says some is the king of America? I'll tell you Friend, he reigns above, and doth not make havoc of mankind like the Royal of Britain. Yet that we may not appear to be defective even in earthly honors, let a day be solemnly set apart for proclaiming the charter; let it be brought forth placed on the divine law, the word of God; let a crown be placed thereon, by which the world may know, that so far as we approve of monarchy, that in America the law is king. For as in absolute governments the king is law, so in free countries the law ought to be king; and there ought to be no other. But lest any ill use should afterwards arise, let the crown at the conclusion of the ceremony be demolished, and scattered among the people whose right it is. "
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How strange of you to post some lines that prove my point.
Thanks.
The law defines marriage as being only between one man and one woman. Just thought I would remind you. You might re-read the portion of the Paine quote that you didn't put in bold.
The zealot was disturbing the peace with his pictures.
The soccer moms were about to 'disturb' HIM. -- He got lucky and the cops arrived in time to save his cookies. Justice was served.
Let the queers call their arrangements 'marriage'. Why should you care?
Calm yourself, you'll live longer.
Thanks for the advice but I am already calm.
Hey I'll talk to you later. I'm going to sign off. Just didn't want you to think I was ignoring any response you give. Gotta go. Have fun.
Where is the "Love your neighbor" in this?
I suppose you could engage in his type of culture but I strongly recommend you don't.
I also recommend you take another look at "Love your neighbor" in its original context because it does not mean what you say it means.
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