Air Marshals Say Passenger Overreacted (NW flight)

KFI News ^ | July 22, 2004 | Eric Leonard

[nyconse]

The Syrians ignored the sign about sitting down. It seems that you can't even ask a middle-easterner to take their seats during a landing in these pc times.

[Cultural Jihad]

Out of 14, surely at least *one* of them would accept an interview, or appear on TV, to clear themselves and/or express their feelings about being met by the feds when they landed . . .

I believe I read that they were told by the FBI to not talk about their flight or the subsequent interview to the media.

[Publius6961]

I wasn't there, so I certainly could be wrong. There were other people on the flight. Time for someone in the media to get to the bottom of this.

Huh?
What about the other people on the flight? I find it odd that not a single person has come forward to corroborate or to debunk the original narrative. Could all the other passengers have slept through the whole thing? Have they all been "spoken to"? What?

[Ichneumon]

Back to square one.

Only because you're insisting on missing the point.

My following point was that comparing the two stories is silly. One is in the past. We all know how it turned out. This one is developing. We don’t know all of the facts.

...all of which is entirely irrelevant to the valid point he made, which you are either lamely dodging, or failing to see.

When I read Jacobsen’s version it seemed to be filled with an inordinate level of detail…detail aimed at her perception of what was going on.

She's a *writer*. If she's like most, she's a keen observer of people and events, and can describe them in great detail later on paper.

It read like she had an overactive imagination.

It reads to me like like she was keeping a close eye on things and reported it well, including the observations which were key to supporting her conclusions.

That’s my judgment for now.

Such as it is.

Did you every figure which statement was true?

Did you ever figure out that you're acting like a jerk overimpressed by the "cleverness" of his misses-the-point remark that was silly the *first* time you made it, much less the third or fourth time you beat it into the ground as a cheap excuse to badger someone and childishly accuse him of "talking crap"?

[Cultural Jihad]

Did you ever figure out that you're acting like a jerk . . .

Are you giving him acting lessons?

[nyconse]

The air marshalls say they checked the bathroom. One wonders when since these guys were in it almost continuously. I am a loyal Republican and like Bush, but I do not think he has done enough to protect this country. He should have fired Mineta long ago, and we need El Al type rules now-not after another plane is blown up. Also, our borders remain unsecured. President Bush views liberal immigration laws as a political tool to garner votes (mostly hispanic) and not a danger which it is. If the DNC is using airplane security as a talking point,President Bush has only himself to blame for keeping Mineta and not hiring someone competent. Of course John Kerry would be much, much worse so President Bush has my vote.

[nyconse]

I remember reading in one story that un-named passengers had confirmed the story. The passengers are probably afraid of being called racist-a much worse crime in pc American than being a terrorist apparently.

[pepsionice]

Go talk to "old" air marshals...they were very stringent before 9-11, but after that...they had to beef up numbers, and they really opened the door extra wide. Some of the new guys are high quality, but a number of them are simply deputy-wannabes. I sat there in a airport lounge and watched some air "fool" put the play on some gal after the flight, and he even flashed his badge to prove he was what he claimed. It was the most stupid come-on I've seen in years. And the image of Barney Fife stuck in my mind, and I wondered...ok, maybe this guy can at least shoot straight. I will say that I think 90 percent of the air marshals are capable enough to take on a bad situation.

[Publius6961]

I believe I read that they were told by the FBI to not talk about their flight or the subsequent interview to the media.

Or.....

What?

If these PC sons of bitches had allowed me to go through hell for hours because the sandmaggots had done "nothing", do you really think I would give a rat's elbow what they "ask" me to do or not do or say?

[Cultural Jihad]

. . . do you really think I would give a rat's elbow . . .

Well, perhaps they were more sociable and understanding of the circumstances than you might have been.

[HairOfTheDog]

It's possible your horny little dweeb at the airport was in fact, ~lying~ to get a girl. Wouldn't be the first time. -And 90% high quality after a major expansion in force, from a fairly embittered critic like yourself ain't a bad success rate. Not that you had me all concerned.

[nyconse]

Wouldn't you think the musicians would enjoy a little free publicity...I think it is strange that they havne't been talking to the press. They don't seem inordinately worried about breaking the rules at least on an airplane. If they are innocent and have nothing to hide why not get their name in the papers...might get some jobs.

[HairOfTheDog]

The air marshalls say they checked the bathroom. One wonders when since these guys were in it almost continuously.

Maybe at least a couple of the guys standing up, walking around and waiting in line at the bathroom were on our side eh? ~She's~ the one who told us who all the bad guys were. Was she right?

[Cultural Jihad]

Should we round 'em up for not giving interviews to the press, Mr. President?

[nyconse]

Nope, but we should check them out very carefully. I just think it's odd. Why isn't Cair whining about the unfair allegations against these musicians? Also, all the musicians I have known love publicity; it helps in the job department.

[Cultural Jihad]

The air marshalls say they checked the bathroom. One wonders when since these guys were in it almost continuously.

"Get in there and protect the purity of essence of our precious bodily fluids!"

[Lancey Howard]

After hearing Glenn Beck relate the story about the "middle eastern" man who was in the lavatory for so long that an air marshall finally kicked open the door, I think I would tend to keep my eyes peeled and "overreact, too.

Oh, yeah.... that air marshall was a tad surprised at what he saw when he kicked the door open. The "middle eastern" man had taken the mirror off the wall and was apparently trying to carve a hole through the wall into the cockpit.

Glenn Beck added that he was a tad surprised that this story never got much attention....

[nyconse]

I have no idea who is right. I hope to God, she was wrong. I just find the whole thing suspicious. Unfortunately, you don't know what to believe. It took the government months and months to admit the Egyption who shot people by the El Al counter was a terrorist. If these guys were terrorists, I truly don't think the government would want to admit this because it might hurt President Bush's re-election chances. Airport security is an area where President Bush is vulnerable because of pc Mineta whom I despise.

[nyconse]

You would think this story would be on the front page..you would also think after this the air marshalls on the plane Ms. Jacobsen was on would be a bit more concerned about Arab men spending an inordinate time in a bathroom.

[nyconse]

Read this story. I saw it on another thread. I still say our government needs to do a better job protecting Americans. Border Patrol field agents have shared some disturbing information with the hope the information will make it to the general public. A flood of middle-eastern males have been caught entering the country illegally east of Douglas, Arizona. In the last month at least two documented accounts of Border Patrol agents encountering large groups of non-Spanish speaking males in the Chiricahua foothills and on trails along the high mountain areas. On or about the early morning hours of June 13, 2004 Border patrol agents from the Wilcox station encountered a large group of suspected illegal border crossers, estimated to be around 100, just east of the Sanders Ranch near the foothills of the Chiricauha Mountains. 71 suspected illegal aliens were apprehended; among them were 53 males of middle-eastern decent. According to a Border Patrol field agent, the men were suspected to be Iranian or possibly Syrian nationals. "One thing's for sure, these guys didn't speak Spanish and after we questioned them harder we discovered they spoke poor English with a middle-eastern accent, then we caught them speaking to each other in Arabic…this is ridiculous that we don't take this more seriously, and we're told not to say a thing to the media, but I have to," said the agent, whose name will obviously remain anonymous. The agent stated the men were wearing the traditional uniform of migrants - baseball caps, tennis shoes, some had work boots, denim jeans and many had t-shirts with patriotic American flags and slogans. The agent added the following description "A curious thing I noticed was that they all had brand new clothing and they looked as if they had just been to the barber shop, you know, new haircuts. They were clean cut and they all had almost the exact cut of mustaches." The information was corroborated by a local rancher in the area who reports that sightings of groups similar to these are on the rise. "We've had groups in the hundreds coming through again. They were gone for awhile but now they're back. Many other ranchers in the area have been frustrated with the lack of response from Border Patrol. After calling over and over again, to the Wilcox headquarters, we might get a response a few hours later. We call them in to the Border Patrol, we only have the Wilcox station, and they're so darned far away. By the time they send in the helicopters these groups are long gone. I don't know how many they catch but they're coming through here heavy right now." On or about the evening of June 21, 2004, agents from the Wilcox Border Patrol station apprehended 24 members of a larger group of Arabic speaking males located just east of the Pierce/Sunsites area of Cochise County. At least half of the males escaped capture and disappeared into the United States. http://www.tombstonetumbleweed.com