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Air Marshals Say Passenger Overreacted (NW flight)
KFI News ^ | July 22, 2004 | Eric Leonard

Posted on 07/24/2004 4:05:17 PM PDT by HostileTerritory

Undercover federal air marshals on board a June 29 Northwest airlines flight from Detroit to LAX identified themselves after a passenger, “overreacted,” to a group of middle-eastern men on board, federal officials and sources have told KFI NEWS.

The passenger, later identified as Annie Jacobsen, was in danger of panicking other passengers and creating a larger problem on the plane, according to a source close to the secretive federal protective service.

Jacobsen, a self-described freelance writer, has published two stories about her experience at womenswallstreet.com, a business advice web site designed for women.

“The lady was overreacting,” said the source. “A flight attendant was told to tell the passenger to calm down; that there were air marshals on the plane.”

The middle eastern men were identified by federal agents as a group of touring musicians travelling to a concert date at a casino, said Air Marshals spokesman Dave Adams.

Jacobsen wrote she became alarmed when the men made frequent trips to the lavatory, repeatedly opened and closed the overhead luggage compartments, and appeared to be signaling each other.

“Initially it was brought to [the air marshals] attention by a passenger,” Adams said, adding the agents had been watching the men and chose to stay undercover.

Jacobsen and her husband had a number of conversations with the flight attendants and gestured towards the men several times, the source said.

“In concert with the flight crew, the decision was made to keep [the men] under surveillance since no terrorist or criminal acts were being perpetrated aboard the aircraft; they didn’t interfere with the flight crew,” Adams said.

The air marshals did, however, check the bathrooms after the middle-eastern men had spent time inside, Adams said.

FBI agents met the plane when it landed in Los Angeles and the men were questioned, and Los Angeles field office spokeswoman Cathy Viray said it’s significant the alarm on the flight came from a passenger.

“We have to take all calls seriously, but the passenger was worried, not the flight crew or the federal air marshals,” she said. “The complaint did not stem from the flight crew.”

Several people were questioned, she said, but no one was detained.

Jacobsen’s husband Kevin told KFI NEWS he approached a man he thought was an air marshal after the flight had landed.

“You made me nervous,” Kevin said the air marshal told him.

“I was freaking out,” Kevin replied.

“We don’t freak out in situations like this,” the air marshal responded.

Federal agents later verified the musicians’ story.

“We followed up with the casino,” Adams said. A supervisor verified they were playing a concert. A second federal law enforcement source said the concert itself was monitored by an agent.

“We also went to the hotel, determined they had checked into the hotel,” Adams said. Each of the men were checked through a series of databases and watch-lists with negative results, he said.

The source said the air marshals on the flight were partially concerned Jacobsen’s actions could have been an effort by terrorists or attackers to create a disturbance on the plane to force the agents to identify themselves.

Air marshals’ only tactical advantage on a flight is their anonymity, the source said, and Jacobsen could have put the entire flight in danger.

“They have to be very cognizant of their surroundings,” spokesman Adams confirmed, “to make sure it isn’t a ruse to try and pull them out of their cover.”


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; US: California; US: Michigan; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: aircraft; airlinesecurity; airmarshals; airplane; anniejacobson; bathroom; bomb; expiredvisas; lamemarshals; musicians; syria; terror; terrorism; terrorists
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To: jimbo123

oh, that was nothing. he was just despondent, that's all. we should give him a taxpayer provided therapist, to help him with his problems.

</sarcasm>


101 posted on 07/24/2004 5:49:01 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: Dems_R_Losers

Now you've got me trying to envision "Rawhide" with an Arabic accent.


102 posted on 07/24/2004 5:49:09 PM PDT by El Sordo
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To: gg188
UberKonservative Sharia Law:

Using the lavatory: 30 lashes! Talking among your friends: Cut out the tongue! Checking storage compartments: Chop off the hand!

103 posted on 07/24/2004 5:49:16 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: gg188

Subtracting slightly for ?slsight? hyperbole,

I very much agree.


104 posted on 07/24/2004 5:50:05 PM PDT by Quix (PRAYER WARRIORS, DO YOUR STUFF! LIVES, SOULS AND NATIONS DEPEND ON IT)
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To: jimbo123

Lots of details in this version. Thanks. Interesting that the FBI thought the McDonald's bag in the bathroom was significant. I can't see the bathroom as being the ideal place to scarf down a Big Mac. But, I can see that if you have a bunch of trash accumulating, you might ditch it in the bathroom rather than wait for the flight attendant.


105 posted on 07/24/2004 5:51:30 PM PDT by jwalburg (Hatriots for Kerry)
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To: NittanyLion

Together with her story, the pieces fit together quite well for me. And I don't fault anyone involved. She was right to be worried, but she was also a loose cannon.... From their perspective trying to watch all this, they worried about her instigating or getting in the way of their jobs if something did go down. No fault at the time, just complexities to be aware of in thei very difficult game of trying to be right all the time.


106 posted on 07/24/2004 5:53:33 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog (~*-,._.,-*~Loves her hubbit~*-,._.,-*~)
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To: HostileTerritory
the men made frequent trips to the lavatory, repeatedly opened and closed the overhead luggage compartments, and appeared to be signaling each other

Why didn't the lady think of musicians immediately?

107 posted on 07/24/2004 5:53:46 PM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and establish property rights)
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To: diotima

PERCEPTIVE sleuthing logic, imho.


108 posted on 07/24/2004 5:54:03 PM PDT by Quix (PRAYER WARRIORS, DO YOUR STUFF! LIVES, SOULS AND NATIONS DEPEND ON IT)
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To: nothingnew

well said.


109 posted on 07/24/2004 5:57:18 PM PDT by Quix (PRAYER WARRIORS, DO YOUR STUFF! LIVES, SOULS AND NATIONS DEPEND ON IT)
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To: glockmeister40
Fourteen arab men on a flight?

At least frequent potty trips should not be allowed. Going in to your stuff should be prevented to.

110 posted on 07/24/2004 5:57:59 PM PDT by alrea
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To: HostileTerritory
Now they want to paralyze us into the same passenger behavior they knew to expect of us on 9/11.

The only possible way that the muslims could pull it off again is if we sit on our hands expecting air marshals that might or might not be on board to handle the situation.

You must be careful don't you know? Overreacting can be very dangerous! Under-reacting can be fatal! Banning muslims makes you a bigot! Have a nice flight!
111 posted on 07/24/2004 5:58:38 PM PDT by Jim_Curtis
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To: Cultural Jihad
Let's see ~ 14 guys, 20 cups of coffee each, and you've got about 70 trips to the lavatory over the course of a 4.2 hour flight.

14 women would probably have generated no more than 7 such trips, and none of them toward the end of the flight after the coffee drinkers had made a mass of the lavatories.

Ms. Jacobson was concerned with men using the lavatory.

112 posted on 07/24/2004 6:01:01 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: xm177e2
I was under the impression that their main tactical advantage is their firearms.

Well, sometimes they leave their firearms in the airport bathroom.
113 posted on 07/24/2004 6:01:20 PM PDT by gitmo (Thanks, Mel. I needed that.)
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To: Texas Eagle
Maybe these guys took a connecting flight to Las Vegas where they were scheduled to open for Linda Ronstadt.

maybe it was her new band

114 posted on 07/24/2004 6:01:36 PM PDT by alrea
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To: oceanview
Wow! That is a brilliant use of logic and reasoning. I’m sure it is 100% foolproof. You can tell how accurate a story is, just by comparing it to the Richard Reid story. Amazing.

So, If I tell you that a terrorist knocked on my door today you could compare it to the shoe bomber story and know immediately if I’m telling the truth.

Try your amazing method and tell me which of the following is true:

A. A terrorist knocked on my door.
B. I nearly wrecked today.
C. I bought some lettuce today.

115 posted on 07/24/2004 6:01:44 PM PDT by Half Vast Conspiracy (If the Rapture is coming, should I insist on a non-Christian pilot?)
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To: HostileTerritory
This "Air Marshall" BS has got to improve beyond this. The only thing that saved their a$$ on this flight was that the ME's didn't blow up the plane.

It seems to me by the original story, that they had ample time to do whatever they wanted to do while they "were under surveillance!

116 posted on 07/24/2004 6:02:28 PM PDT by FixitGuy
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To: Texas Eagle

See post 67. It was an Indian casino in San Diego county. That's the story anyway.


117 posted on 07/24/2004 6:06:19 PM PDT by Half Vast Conspiracy (If the Rapture is coming, should I insist on a non-Christian pilot?)
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To: muawiyah

A coworker told me that Muslims always wash before prayers and the coordinated bathroom trips would have reflected that if they all were going to pray at the same time.


118 posted on 07/24/2004 6:09:59 PM PDT by HostileTerritory
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To: FixitGuy

OK Mr. fixit.... you tell me.... What exactly should they have done that they didn't do?


119 posted on 07/24/2004 6:10:18 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog (~*-,._.,-*~Loves her hubbit~*-,._.,-*~)
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To: Jim_Curtis

If there are air marshals on the flight they would react to an attack immediately. If this happens be ready to help but don't get in the way. Air marshals stand out, easy to spot. Of course a passenger who can't spot musicians probably wouldn't be perceptive of air marshals, either. If there are no air marshals on the flight, and this wouldn't be certain, just be alert and kind of look for others who might be in shape, martial arts types and former military who still keep up some training. While figuring out the emergency exits, seat cushions, etc., get a mental image of who is where.


120 posted on 07/24/2004 6:10:25 PM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and establish property rights)
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