Tribes enlist Arnie's help in fishing feud

The Scotsman ^ | July 24, 2004 | JAMES DOW

[MadIvan]

I really don't envy Arnold.

Regards, Ivan

[MadIvan]

Ping!

[Happygal]

Wait a minute - wasn't there something about irrigation problems at Klamath basin for farmers resulting out of environmental protection of some 'endangered species'? This is going back a few years.

Maybe I'm confused

[Happygal]

BTW, is it true that over-fishing by native American tribes has resulted in the depletion of many salmon stocks - not just at Klamath, but in rivers across the US?

[GeronL]

whats a fish ladder?

[Pylon]

A series of pools arranged like ascending steps at the side of a stream, enabling migrating fish to swim upstream around a dam or other obstruction

[GeronL]

You looked that up, right?

[Happygal]

whats a fish ladder?

Didn't you know? A fish ladder is for fish that have grown feet, after their bodies morphed from all the nasty pollution those damn oil-hungry republicans pumped in the US national rivers. Damnit! ;-)

[Amelia]

Wait a minute - wasn't there something about irrigation problems at Klamath basin for farmers resulting out of environmental protection of some 'endangered species'? This is going back a few years.

Yes, and there were some FReepers involved with that.

[KangarooJacqui]

Nice factual response from someone who calls themselves a journalist... *cough*

[dagoofyfoot]

whats a fish ladder?


Come on, everybody know that,


It's a aluminum frame ladder that can extend twice the size of it's frame shaped like a largemouth Bass, where start at the tail and climb your way up to its head.

[GVnana]

You shouldn't envy Arnold. He's at the nexus of California Republican politics, as divisive and in-fighting a group as there ever was.

Can't speak to the Hoopa issue. We have an old dam in my area without ladders and I'm all for a project to retrofit it.

[farmfriend]

Rights, farms, environment ping.
Let me know if you wish to be added or removed from this list.
I don't get offended if you want to be removed.

[E.G.C.]

BTTT!!!!!!!

[Happygal]

Farmfriend, can you jog my memory. What was the endangered spieces that lead to problems in the Klamath basin previously?

[farmfriend]

Coho Salmon and the short nosed and lost sucker fish

[Happygal]

Ah! Yes! The sucker fish! Thanks. I'm going to have to start taking more fish oils meself to improve my long-term memory! :-)

[tertiary01]

Some of these tribes are now casino rich, and aren't they considered independent nations, and not subject to State and County laws? At least that what the Hoopas told us a few years ago, when we chose to pay to camp in a campground on their reservation and their young punks drove in and shot guns over our tents, making us leave in the middle of the night.
They also used to be in the habit of trying to strong arm truck drivers going up the Klamath highway at night. My ex's uncle used to drive truck through that area. They would roll 55 gallon drums onto the highway to stop drivers and then demand a toll.
I have no sympathy for some of these tribes

[fish hawk]

I am an Indian from the Yurok tribe of that area and I have never heard of the things that you are stating. I would think that if it did happen, it was a bunch of young rowdy punks that have been drinking. Spent half my life in that area and know these Indians well. Very good people and peaceful. There are always a few bad apples. Please try not to judge the whole tribe on the behavior of a few.

[fish hawk]

None of these tribes mentioned are "Casino Rich". There are no There is one small casino in Trinidad just north of Eureka but it is small and though it is in traditional Yurok territory, it is owned by the Rancheria there and not by the tribe. There is a fairly large casino in Crescent City but it is owned by the Tolowa tribe. They are doing well but not any where close to "rich". I believe the reason there are not more casinos in that area is that it is in a wilderness area. One needs lots of highway traffic and population to have a rich casino.