Sandy Berger, and TWA 800

7/23/04 | Philosofy123

[dirtboy]

Heck of alot more plausible than the NTSB's "miracle exploding center wing tank" paper.

I'll agree 100 percent on that.

[Alberta's Child]

1. If Flight 800 was brought down by terrorists, they used a bomb -- not a "shoulder-fired missile."

2. If Flight 800 was brought down by a missile, it was shot down by a U.S. or NATO navy ship conducting exercises off the south shore of Long Island that night.

I don't know the exact cause of the crash, but the facts of this incident clearly indicate that the two statements I posted here are true.

[leprechaun9]

Didn't the Deputy U.S. Attorney General have overall responsibility for the investigation of TWA800, and the 1993 WTC bombing, and the OKC bombing, and the one who designed the 'Wall of Separation' between the Intelligence and Law Enforcement Agancies.

Who, you might ask? My understanding is that it was the PC Gender representation on the Kean Follies (911 Commission), GORE-LICK!

She should receive an award at the Al-Quada - Taliban Public Relations Convention to be held in Boston next week!

[philosofy123]

About 290 of those eyewitnesses also reported seeing a “flare-like object” rising from the surface of the ocean toward Flight 800, and converge with it, immediately prior to the explosion. Some of those eyewitnesses reported seeing two such objects. But, the FBI special agent in charge of the investigation later said, “There is no missile, there never was a missile, and there’s never going to be a missile.”

I REST MY CASE, the FBI and other governmental organizations were all ordered to lie!!!!!

[Alberta's Child]

The crash of Flight 800 took place four months before the 1996 election.

[dirtboy]

Altitude. That's what we were told.

I think the altitude of the initiating event is one of the few things most folks agree upon.

[TommyDale]

Never believe what you read on the internet. Haven't you received the Demo talking points on this subject?

[Darksheare]

Correct.
Think it's speed in flight is about 2.4 mach or thereabouts.
Flight 800 would have been doing anywhere from .5 to .8 mach.
Not much by the way of reaction time available if the pilots even knew what hit them.
'Course, a 747 isn't the most nimble of airliners.
So even if they saw it coming, they wouldn't have been able to do much.


Reminds me of the former Clinton advisor saying that slip about "Like when flight 800 was bombed?"
I doubt the papers Berger took had any info on 800, but I'm darn curious as to what Clitnonoid schemes they reveal.

[Zavien Doombringer]

With my years in Aviation maintenance, I could agree with you. However, paterns exsist in like aircraft with the same amount of fight hours.

Aircraft are scheduled for periodic maintenance, every 300 hours. At each 300 hour interval there are repetitious checks as well as added checks.

When you reach 1200 hour, then comes an overhaul, or Depot level maintenance where "skin" and "bones" are replaced.

Possible, but I highly doubt metal fatigue brought it down.

[Toespi]

Does anyone know how the victim's families feel about the circumstances of this event? Are they satisifed with the results of the investigation?

[Alberta's Child]

TWA 800 was at 13,800 [feet].

This is a very important point to remember. Not only was Flight 800 traveling at an altitude of nearly 14,000 feet -- it was also traveling several thousand feet lower than trans-Atlantic flights out of JFK Airport are normally flying at that point. The plane was ordered to descend from its "normal" altitude to make way for a northbound US Air flight en route to Providence, Rhode Island that was flying behind schedule that night.

The last point I made is very critical, because it weighs heavily against a terrorist shoot-down . . . Nobody could have anticipated that the aircraft would be flying at a lower-than-normal altitude that night.

[Blzbba]

"and there’s never going to be a missile.”"


That part, he's right on.

[philosofy123]

I agree. However, I don't know the difference, and perhaps 90% of the population don't know the difference between shoulder fired or Sam fired, Bill fired? What I was trying to say is MOSLEM terrorists in NY outside of that plane blew it up in the sky, even with a bb gun if you wish?

[philosofy123]

Thanks for your point.

[Darksheare]

I'm still wondering why they even chose to float the Miracle ECWT anyway.

I asked Asmodeus when he was here, since he admitted to being either a crash investigator or interviewer(he couldn't make up his mind which he was) for '50+ years'.

He never answered the particular question on that.

[Darksheare]

Did hear it said that some official was on another flight either proceeding 800 or tailing 800.

[Lowell]

What they saw was swamp gasses rising up into the atmosphere. NOW PLEASE LOOK AT THE RED LIGHT AT THE END OF MY PEN.

[Alberta's Child]

I think I saw a thread here yesterday that referred to a lawsuit filed on behalf of some of the victims' families -- to force the NTSB and/or FBI to come clean on this. Apparently someone got wind of some autopsy results that showed shrapnel wounds consistent with an explosive device.

[dirtboy]

However, I don't know the difference, and perhaps 90% of the population don't know the difference between shoulder fired or Sam fired, Bill fired?

Well, then do a little research and improve your debating points. If you think I'm being tough, what do you think a Clintonista is gonna do if you have any errors in your reasoning?

What I was trying to say is MOSLEM terrorists in NY outside of that plane blew it up in the sky, even with a bb gun if you wish?

Well, the problem is, if it wasn't a shoulder-fired missile, what was it? Was it a ship-borne missile? Where would Moslem terrorists have gotten ahold of one of those (they're a bit bulkier than a SAM)? If they did, where was the boat and how did it get away?

Is there any veracity to the theory that an errant missile from a Navy ship hit TWA 800?

There's a lot to pursue here without running after a very probable dead-end.

[Darksheare]

True.
The altitude of whatever initially happened isn't known.