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To: Check_Your_Premises

"However the AA community is very conspiratorial."

I go to a church that is about 80% black. And I ride the bus in the inner city. There is not a single conspiracy theory you can mention that I haven't heard before. I have had black friends patiently, even condescendingly lecture me about how the K on the Snapple bottle means KKK, that the CIA controls the weather and earthquakes, etc.

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"That is understandable if you look at their history. If you remove the idea that the damage leftist policy has done in their community was deliberate, you would have to admit that until 30 years ago our society was hostile to them."

It IS understandable -- up to a point. Which is why I would open my speech with something I think Ron Woodson said, which is that "black people can no longer be treated like children to whom the truth cannot be told."

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"They are always looking for Bull Connor and the KKK. Who can blame them. Republicans, fair or not, have been tagged with that label."

I can blame with a clean conscience because they need to start reading their history books more carefully. Every Deep South politician or sheriff or other leader from Jefferson Davis to Bull Connor, George Wallace, Orville Faubus, etc., and the KKK were all DEMOCRATS.

The Republican Party's first platform featured ending slavery, which Republican president Lincoln did 10 years later. Southern blacks who voted during that time registered and voted Republican. Black loyalty to Democrats is a very recent development over the last 40 years. Over 80% of Republican Senators and Congressman voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1964, while only 60% of Democrats did.

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"That is pretty much the entire basis of their loyalty to the Democrats... they are not Republicans. It simply doesn't matter what Republicans do, they are seen as racists. Any evidence to the contrary will be seen as an an aberration. It is simple marketing. Once a popular perception takes hold, it cannot be removed, it can only be cast in a new light. That will take years."

I agree it will take time, I understand the human psyche and human nature. BUT...it will take a lot longer if we "treat them like children to whom the truth cannot be told."


93 posted on 07/23/2004 11:57:07 AM PDT by Zhangliqun (War IS the answer -- when the alternative is even worse...)
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To: Zhangliqun
Let me ask you something, if Coke made a fine champaign would anyone buy it? Even if it was the best champaign in the world, nobody would buy it because coke does not equal champaign in the common perception.

You can tell them the truth all you want, but it will not make any difference because it does not fit the common perception. So when I say that the truth doesn't matter, it is not to equate blacks with children who can't be told the truth, it is to point out the fact that perception is indistinguishable from reality in politics.

These battle lines have been drawn for years, and the ensuing trench warfare requires huge expenditures for little gain. We need to attack the true enemy and attack them at the flanks.

The most effective appeal Republicans have to the AA community is on the basis of pragmatism. THe most effective short term tactic in seperating the AA community's support of the left would be for conservatives to run as democrats and attack the left on their home turf. The logistics are formidable but the spectacle of it would be priceless.

97 posted on 07/23/2004 12:18:26 PM PDT by Check_Your_Premises (We have to win the war at home before we can win ANY war abroad!)
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To: Zhangliqun
Let me ask you something, if Coke made a fine champaign would anyone buy it? Even if it was the best champaign in the world, nobody would buy it because coke does not equal champaign in the common perception.

You can tell them the truth all you want, but it will not make any difference because it does not fit the common perception. So when I say that the truth doesn't matter, it is not to equate blacks with children who can't be told the truth, it is to point out the fact that perception is indistinguishable from reality in politics.

These battle lines have been drawn for years, and the ensuing trench warfare requires huge expenditures for little gain. We need to attack the true enemy and attack them at the flanks.

The most effective appeal Republicans have to the AA community is on the basis of pragmatism. THe most effective short term tactic in seperating the AA community's support of the left would be for conservatives to run as democrats and attack the left on their home turf. The logistics are formidable but the spectacle of it would be priceless.

98 posted on 07/23/2004 12:18:35 PM PDT by Check_Your_Premises (We have to win the war at home before we can win ANY war abroad!)
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To: Zhangliqun
Let me ask you something, if Coke made a fine champaign would anyone buy it? Even if it was the best champaign in the world, nobody would buy it because coke does not equal champaign in the common perception.

You can tell them the truth all you want, but it will not make any difference because it does not fit the common perception. So when I say that the truth doesn't matter, it is not to equate blacks with children who can't be told the truth, it is to point out the fact that perception is indistinguishable from reality in politics.

These battle lines have been drawn for years, and the ensuing trench warfare requires huge expenditures for little gain. We need to attack the true enemy and attack them at the flanks.

The most effective appeal Republicans have to the AA community is on the basis of pragmatism. THe most effective short term tactic in seperating the AA community's support of the left would be for conservatives to run as democrats and attack the left on their home turf. The logistics are formidable but the spectacle of it would be priceless.

99 posted on 07/23/2004 12:18:40 PM PDT by Check_Your_Premises (We have to win the war at home before we can win ANY war abroad!)
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