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Porno Comic Books in Children's Section of Eau Gallie, FL Public Library (vanity)
my daughter | July 21, 2004 | self

Posted on 07/21/2004 4:58:49 AM PDT by snopercod

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To: weegee

But what's the solution? Keep kids out of the adult fiction of non-fiction sections of the library? What if the kid wants to read Orwell or Tolkien? Is it the librarian's job to oversee what a kid is reading or is it the parent's? These are hard questions.

And by the way, the historical romances that many women devour on a regular basis - we call them "fat juicies". Talk about sex!


61 posted on 07/21/2004 6:42:41 AM PDT by gingerky
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To: The Red Zone
And our own SCOTUS has capped that by saying that if it's not a photo of a real person it's not counted as porn either.

Not true, actually. It just doesn't qualify as kiddie porn if no real children are portrayed.

62 posted on 07/21/2004 6:50:30 AM PDT by Modernman ("I don't care to belong to a club that accepts people like me as members" -Groucho Marx)
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To: snopercod
You know, I'm not a prude and not a "social conservative".

Maybe you should be.

63 posted on 07/21/2004 6:51:13 AM PDT by Sloth (We have to support RINOs like Specter; their states are too liberal to elect someone like Santorum.)
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To: Nakatu X
In fact I stopped reading American comics when one comic featured a jay-naked Bush sobbing & surrendering at Magneto's feet.

Ultimate X-Men, right? I'm not a huge fan of that series- they've basically made the X-Men a bunch of angsty nihilists.

The new Captain America in the Ultimates is pretty cool, though.

64 posted on 07/21/2004 6:52:14 AM PDT by Modernman ("I don't care to belong to a club that accepts people like me as members" -Groucho Marx)
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To: Aquinasfan

I don't recall that the 10 Commandments come in 'Flavors' of stealing. I seem to recall the book saying "Thou shall not Steal" period. No ifs, buts, or 'Its ok if I don't agree with it' Stealing is stealing. If you don't like the book, work with the library to get it removed, don't teach your child to do something evil to fight evil.

Or maybe you just think morals are for somepeople and not for others? Perhaps you think Bill Clintoon was right, 'Its ok to lie as long as you are lying about sex'
As for me, lies, like stealling, don't come in 'Flavors' its just wrong.


65 posted on 07/21/2004 6:55:24 AM PDT by Conan the Librarian (I am a Librarian. I don't know anything....I just know where to look it up.)
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To: gingerky
If a kid could not buy it legally in a store I don't see how a library can give it to a kid (or even file in the childrens' section). Some libraries put some materials like Madonna's Sex book in the glass case "special collection". Then again, sometimes this is done because adults tear out nude photos out of the books for their own porn collections.

There are plenty of such torn books for sale in the annual library clearance sale.

At times, the culprits are caught. These are censorship fiends destroying books.

66 posted on 07/21/2004 6:57:51 AM PDT by weegee (Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them. ~~Ronald Reagan)
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To: Aquinasfan
It's sending a very good message that you should fight evil rather than be "nice."

No, teaching your kids that stealing somebody else's property is acceptable is not something that a moral person does.

67 posted on 07/21/2004 7:00:21 AM PDT by Modernman ("I don't care to belong to a club that accepts people like me as members" -Groucho Marx)
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To: Richard Kimball

Good job on your Austin case.

As I say, I actually see a place for the works of Robert Crumb in a library collection. I don't see the need to have comics tarnished as a bad influence on kids because inappropriate materials are made available to children.


68 posted on 07/21/2004 7:00:34 AM PDT by weegee (Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them. ~~Ronald Reagan)
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To: weegee

I thought the "Fritz the Cat" comics were funny when I was in college. But you know, if we wanted that stuff, we went to the "dirty books store" and bought it.


69 posted on 07/21/2004 7:03:11 AM PDT by snopercod (What we have lost will not be returned to us.)
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To: weegee

According to the authors, The Ultimate Spiderman book was a rewrite of the first 50 issues of Spiderman aimed at "updating" them to appeal to 15 year old. There were some very subtle references in the Ultimate Spiderman book about someone being "gay", drugs were always painted in a bad light and Aunt May told Peter and MJ that if they're "going to do it just be safe". Of course there were lots of negative references to Nixon during history class. It wouldn't surprise me at all to see these companies promoting a homosexual agenda although it was difficult to see it in this book since a lot of the story line centered around Peter Parker's relationship to MJ.

While we screen as much material as possible and try to focus our son's attention on good moral values, kids today know more than we think. I told my son it was a good thing Peter Parker wasn't biten by a radioactive lady-bug. My son responded that he would probably be confused about his gender.


70 posted on 07/21/2004 7:09:24 AM PDT by HarleyD (For strong is he who carries out God's word. (Joel 2:11))
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To: Modernman

How does Marvel reconcile "Captain America" with their own anti-Americanism?


71 posted on 07/21/2004 7:11:45 AM PDT by Nataku X (You hear all the time, "Be more like Jesus." But have you ever heard, "Be more like Muhammed"?)
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To: Nakatu X
The Ultimates is a re-imagining of the Avengers. They've taken Captain America and focused more on the fact that he's a soldier, so they got rid of a lot of the cheesiness of his original incarnation (and, thank God, they got rid of the stupid red pirate boots).

They paint Cap in a pretty sympathetic light, actually. He's still a guy with a 1940's view of the world so, as he himself says, he has a tough time getting the irony that everyone is into these days. He's not a wimp, and unlike his previous incarnation, he has no problems killing bad guys.

They re-worked the other Avengers, too. Most notably, Thor is sort of an anti-globalization protestor who may be the Norse giod of thunder or he might be an escaped mental patient with super-powers.

I think the Ultimates is probably the best of the various "Ultimate Marvel" line of comics.

72 posted on 07/21/2004 7:21:42 AM PDT by Modernman ("I don't care to belong to a club that accepts people like me as members" -Groucho Marx)
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To: Conan the Librarian
Also, if you check out a book and fail to return it, they will charge you a replacement fee that will likely be enough to buy three times as many of the offensive books.
73 posted on 07/21/2004 7:23:05 AM PDT by Montfort
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To: JenB

The naughty anime thing... ;~D


74 posted on 07/21/2004 7:27:20 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog (~*-,._.,-*~Loves her hubbit~*-,._.,-*~)
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To: Larry Lucido
Never mind the porn. I'm surprised the picture of an evil gun on the cover made it past the Million Mom censors.

Good point, Larry. I might add that Gunsmith Cats features many of the firearms that are on the Feinstein-Brady "naughty" list - including (*gasp*!) - "Assault Weapons".

When the Marxist Moms find out about *that*, well, we know what the scene will look like:


75 posted on 07/21/2004 7:30:07 AM PDT by Cloud William (The Second Amendment is the Statute of Liberty! - Col. Jeff Cooper)
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To: section9

Ping...


76 posted on 07/21/2004 7:34:18 AM PDT by Cloud William (The Second Amendment is the Statute of Liberty! - Col. Jeff Cooper)
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To: snopercod

Why didn't your daughter check what was being checked out before she took the offensive books home. When either my wife or I took our sons to the library we always helped our boys in theior search for books & knew what they were before we checked them out. A little parental involvement & oversight goes a long way. Don't put the blame on the librarian - it belongs with the parent.


77 posted on 07/21/2004 7:42:23 AM PDT by familyofman (and the first animal is jettisoned - legs furiously pumping)
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To: HairOfTheDog

Sigh... stupid librarians. For the record, the manga I read tends to be weird or violent, but not dirty.

It's a great format - something halfway between a book and television - but it can of course be abused...


78 posted on 07/21/2004 7:46:18 AM PDT by JenB (Colorado or Bust: 8 Days)
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To: JenB

Yeah - I have gathered that from your discussions. I knew you knew this stuff existed, but didn't think it was your style.


79 posted on 07/21/2004 7:54:32 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog (~*-,._.,-*~Loves her hubbit~*-,._.,-*~)
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To: HairOfTheDog

It exists. They sell it at big bookstores, sometimes, in shrink-wrap, which is a pretty good indication that it's hentai - "perverted". And ksen was complaining the other day that it's hard to find an anime series that isn't, well, disgusting. Anime's actually harder than manga, unless you've got a nice store in your area because it's just not carried in stores as much as manga is.

My style is action/fighting, usually - "Rurouni Kenshin" or "Fullmetal Alchemist", though I love "Fruits Basket" which is a gentle coming-of-age story. There's as much variety in anime/manga as in American novels or tv shows.


80 posted on 07/21/2004 8:00:41 AM PDT by JenB (Colorado or Bust: 8 Days)
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