Posted on 07/19/2004 5:40:38 AM PDT by NRA1995
Philly Pride seeks court order to prevent 'Outfest' evangelism
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We should show them we've now tolerated them for far too long...
Boy Scout clubs are private entities. Public marches and parades are not.
What court ruled that?
The Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court ruled several years back that the South Boston St. Patrick's Day parade organizers could not refuse to let a gay group march in the parade on the grounds that the parade had "no discernible theme" so they couldn't argue that the gay group didn't fit the theme.
For a wonder, the USSC, in a unanimous decision (and a rare moment of sanity), overturned the MA SJC.
The Boy Scouts often use public facilities.
Besides, IMO this seems more like a free speech than a freedom of association issue.
Read the first two paragraphs again:
Philadelphia homosexual activists say they will seek a court to prevent protesters from attending their "pride" events in the future.
But organizers from Repent America, a Philadelphia-based Christian organization, say they will attend the events, even if it means defying a court order and getting arrested.
This isn't about standing across the street from the venue and protesting - if the gays were fighting that, then I would be on the side of the protestors. However, the anti-gay group wants to into the event, whether they are invited or not. Freedom of association.
Wrong. The organizers of a St. Paddy's Day parade won a court case to exclude gays. The flip side is that gays also have the right to exclude protestors from their events.
Homosexuality: Homosexuality is deviant sexual behavior and a mental illness.
Homosexuals: 1) subject their body parts to uses nature did not intend, such activities often presenting immediate risk to the participants; 2) are prone to greater suicide, depression and other mental disorders and deficiencies than the heterosexual population at large; 3) are prone to far greater sexually transmitted diseases, including AIDS, than the (normal) heterosexual population; 4) molest young people (pedophilia) at a far greater rate than heterosexuals; 5) engage in degrading sexual promiscuity, oftentimes engaging in risky sex with many partners during the same event; 6) are engaged in aggressive and widespread efforts to indoctrinate our children by introducing the homosexual lifestyle using public schools as the primary indoctrination “vehicle” and likewise, through the movie/music/TV industry, with the dual goals of gaining school-age acceptance of homosexuality and encouraging sexual activity among children, especially same-sex experimentation; 7) view most everything through a mindset heavily biased in favor of the homosexual lifestyle and culture, which renders them mostly useless when asked to opine on matters that normal heterosexuals better resolve.
The mental deficiencies described herein applying to homosexuals should not be confused with the mental deficiencies associated with the garden-variety left wing democrat (socialist/marxist/feminist/environmental/union boss wackos,) which have their own distinct set of mental disorders.
This doesn't even touch on what the Bible has to say about homosexuality.
For a wonder, the USSC, in a unanimous decision (and a rare moment of sanity), overturned the MA SJC.
And that ruling applies as much to this event as it does to the St. Paddy's Day parade. This decision, along with the ruling on the Boy Scouts, are critical protections that we as conservatives have to keep left-wingers from forcing their way into our midsts if we don't want them.
However, that also means that the leftists can exclude US.
I visit gay pride here in CR Iowa every year to see if I know anyone there. I almost never do. The ones who are out and in our faces seem to drive from Iowa City, the liberal mecca of Iowa. So I agree, quite a few gays are in the closet and not drawing attention to themselves.
I read that and felt that the Gays (not all but the ones involved here)have a right to have an event where they can control who comes into the restricted area of the event. Seems reasonable to me. But we read further:
Marcavage also said it's wrong to ban his group because Philly Pride Presents receives direct funding from the city. Price said Philly Pride Presents receives about $22,500 annually in city grants....
Sorry, PP boys, you receive city money you have to be tolerant of others, even those whom you dislike.
It's all about control.
The Boy Scouts use public facilities for their events. The St. Paddy's Day parade in Boston uses public facilities. Both have won the right to exclude gays. This knife, however, cuts both ways.
The real hypocrisy is when the Philadelphia city government condemns the Boy Scouts for exclusion but not the gays.
Where the organizer's of the St. Patricks day parade receiving funds from the city of Boston, as the PP boys are in this case?
I think you hit the nail on the head. If these gay groups were trying to stop people from protesting on the corner, that's one thing. However, it looks like all they're trying to do is exclude these people from marching in their parade. I don't have a problem with that.
The parade uses public streets and receives police support.
I'm curious - why are you arguing so strongly to undermine the concept of freedom of association? We were all appalled that the liberals wanted to force the Boy Scouts to accept gays. Now that we've re-affirmed the right of association, you wish to undermine it - when the anti-gay group could simply apply for a permit and protest from across the street, instead of entering the event.
And the public money routine is also a favorite ploy of the left - if you receive public funds, they believe, then we can control your event. Is that really an argument you wish to adapt?
Elton John has said stars are scared to speak out against war in Iraq because of "bullying tactics" used by the US government to hinder free speech.
"There's an atmosphere of fear in America right now that is deadly. Everyone is too career-conscious," he told New York magazine, Interview.
Sir Elton said performers could be "frightened by the current administration's bullying tactics".
The singer likened the current "fear factor" to McCarthyism in the 1950s.
"There was a moment about a year ago when you couldn't say a word about anything in this country for fear of your career being shot down by people saying you are un-American," he told the magazine.
The singer said things were different in the 1960s.
"People like Bob Dylan, Nina Simone, The Beatles and Pete Seeger were constantly writing and talking about what was going on.
Backlash
"That's not happening now. As of this spring, there have been virtually no anti-war concerts - or anti-war songs that catch on, for that matter," he said.
He voiced concern that it appeared acceptable to speak out if you were pro-Bush, using the example of country singer Toby Keith, but not if you were critical of the President, as in the case of country rock band, the Dixie Chicks.
"On the one hand, you have someone like Toby Keith, who has come out and been very supportive of the Bush administration and the war in Iraq - which is OK because America is a democracy and Toby Keith is entitled to say what he thinks and feels.
"But, on the other hand, the Dixie Chicks got shot down in flames last year for criticising the president. They were treated like they were being un-American, when in fact they have every right to say whatever they want about him because he's freely elected, and therefore accountable."
Sir Elton is currently in New York playing a series of concerts.
Liberals have no concept of the freedom of association.
Forcing one group to accept another group into their own group is anti-freedom.
There has been no such court order - the protest spokesperson was engaging in hyperbole.
Sounds like the mayor is on the protestors side, as well.
They mayor's office hasn't kept up with Supreme Court rulings, apparently.
The BSA had to declare themselves a Christian organization to keep perverted scoutmasters at bay, Homosexuality AKA [Perversion] is not a religion, thanks for clearing that up for us!
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