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WildBlue broadband internet satellite launched
WildBlue.com ^ | July 18, 2004

Posted on 07/18/2004 11:54:30 AM PDT by HAL9000

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For folks without access to DSL, cable or terrestrial wireless - this service may be better than DirecWay or Starband.
1 posted on 07/18/2004 11:54:31 AM PDT by HAL9000
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To: HAL9000

6 ton Canadian commsat.


2 posted on 07/18/2004 11:59:16 AM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and establish property rights)
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To: HAL9000

I hope so. Thanks for posting it.


3 posted on 07/18/2004 12:00:55 PM PDT by Dubya (Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father,but by me)
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To: HAL9000

So, how do you upload to a satellite from a laptop without using landlines or cell towers?


4 posted on 07/18/2004 12:03:51 PM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
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"... this service may be better than DirecWay or Starband"

By better, do you mean price or quality, or both?

5 posted on 07/18/2004 12:04:50 PM PDT by Boss_Jim_Gettys (I am a Republican attack dog.)
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By better, do you mean price or quality, or both?

I think the quality will be better than Starband, and the "Fair Access Policy" will be more user-friendly than DirecWay.

6 posted on 07/18/2004 12:09:28 PM PDT by HAL9000
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So, how do you upload to a satellite from a laptop without using landlines or cell towers?

That seems to be coming. I just saw a self-aiming antenna on the Starband page.

7 posted on 07/18/2004 12:11:16 PM PDT by HAL9000
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8 posted on 07/18/2004 12:11:18 PM PDT by So Cal Rocket (Fabrizio Quattrocchi: "Adesso vi faccio vedere come muore un italiano")
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To: gcruse

Via wireless modem much like your ethernet card.


9 posted on 07/18/2004 12:13:26 PM PDT by softengine (Life is like a roll of toilet paper.....The closer you get to the end, the faster it goes.)
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To: gcruse
how do you upload to a satellite from a laptop

You have to wear a special hat.


10 posted on 07/18/2004 12:17:00 PM PDT by Reeses
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> So, how do you upload to a satellite from a laptop
> without using landlines or cell towers?

You don't, unless you have a local 802.11 wireless link
to the base station.

All of the DBS internet solutions require a fairly
powerful transmitter mounted on the dish. The FCC doesn't
much care about receivers, but they care very much about
transmitters, and the higher the power, the more they care.

I expect that all of the DBS uplink solutions must be
installed by a certified installer, and they must be
fixed-base. No user-install. No moving base sites, like
RVs (or houseboats).

WildBlue may (or may not) solve the problems that have
kept me from getting DirectPC or StarBand. They may
have credible uplink speeds. They may (or may not) have
a reasonable FAP. But don't expect mobile.

FAP - Fair Access Policy - a quota on your uplink and
downlink. Exceed it for the month, and you either get
throttled down or shut down entirely. Run the numbers
and make sure your FAP provides net throughput (GB per
month) that is actually higher than dial-up. If not,
what was the original objective now?


11 posted on 07/18/2004 12:17:05 PM PDT by Boundless
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Well there will always me an inherent delay in any data going via a geosyc satellite of around 600ms just from travel time up/down to the satellite (the same lag you used to hear in a phone call to Hawaii or overseas if your call was on geosyc satellite and not underseas cable)


12 posted on 07/18/2004 12:36:23 PM PDT by tophat9000
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To: tophat9000

me=be


13 posted on 07/18/2004 12:37:02 PM PDT by tophat9000
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No, it won't. And the reason is buried in their details. They, Like DirecWay, have what they call their 'Fair Access Policy' (FAP). That is, if you exceed a certail download limit per hour, you are either shut off or busted back down to dialup speeds. The limit for DirecWay is 190MB - and all it takes is a game demo ora good-sized PDF file to blow right past that. StarBand's unlimited and remains the only satellite sevice that is so.

As a certified StarBand dealer and installer, I got a solicitation to jump on the WildBlue bandwagon a few months ago. FAP them and the horse they rode in on.


14 posted on 07/18/2004 12:39:51 PM PDT by Noumenon (Ronaldus Magnus - only lesser men have followed in his footsteps.)
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> Well there will always be an inherent delay in any data
> going via a geosyc satellite of around 600ms just from
> travel time up/down to the satellite ...

Yep. It is important that anyone considering DBS know
about the propagation delay/latency. The speed of light,
it turns out, is not all that fast.

WildBlue/DirecPC/StarBand are not suitable for:
- interactive editing (e.g. telnet)
- interactive gaming
are marginal for:
- VOIP (stutter inducing)
- hosting almost anything
and may not work at all for:
- VPN (secure telecommuting) due to ack of each packet. VPN might "work", but might end up no faster than dialup.


15 posted on 07/18/2004 12:44:57 PM PDT by Boundless
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To: gcruse

the web page says it's bidirectional thru the satellite dish.


16 posted on 07/18/2004 1:03:59 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor (That which does not kill me had better be able to run away damn fast.)
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To: Boundless

What would be a good internet solution for a boat?


17 posted on 07/18/2004 1:04:58 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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I'm sure DirecWay and StarBand have many satisfied customers - but their rates of dissatisfied customers seem to be remarkably high. DirecWay customers are constantly complaining about the FAP, and StarBand customers complain about how slow and unreliable the technology is. My brief experiences with trying StarBand in a Radio Shack store were bad.

I think WildBlue intends to win customers from DirecWay and Starband by offering better service and access policies, more similar to cable service. We shall see.

Terrestrial wireless broadband will become as ubiquitous as cell phones in a few years, and it will be better than satellite for most rural broadband users.

18 posted on 07/18/2004 1:07:58 PM PDT by HAL9000
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It will never be as good as wireline, but WildBlue may have an advantage over DirecWay and StarBand by using Mentat's SkyX TCP/IP stack.
19 posted on 07/18/2004 1:13:36 PM PDT by HAL9000
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For folks without access to DSL, cable or terrestrial wireless

How long before all laptops come equipted to use this?


20 posted on 07/18/2004 1:18:37 PM PDT by Valin (Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. It's just that yours is stupid.)
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