Posted on 07/17/2004 3:09:06 PM PDT by Polycarp IV
" I won't argue either side of the debate. I know both sides inside out and can competently debate from either perspective, but there are serious faults with both."
I wonder if you would briefly summarize those faults you find with the Creationist viewpoint. I promise that I won't argue with you. I would just like to get your perspective.
Sorry for the delay in replying, qam1.
I didn' say Democrats couldn't be Christian, I just said liberals. The Democratic party of my father bears no resemblance to the socialistic - tree-hugging - SUV hating - no unwanted fetus left alive - extremist wierdos that now rule the Donkey Party. I still get a chuckle when Dem's call themselves "the Party of Thomas Jefferson"! (Obviously they never read anything he's written or believed!)
Granted LBJ, FDR et al set into motion a variety of liberal, "nanny-state" programs that are now bearing the fruit of destruction of the American family, but I can't imagine any of the past-prez's you mentioned embracing efforts to keep prayer out of school, keeping parents ignorant of birth-control drugs administered to their children or hindering faith-based initiatives fighting poverty or providing better education alternatives. Today's DNC make these planks in the party platform!
Let me know what the % of attendees at this year's Democratic convention who profess to be "Christian". 95%...or 59%? I'm betting even less...
Two words - Jimmy Carter
I can't imagine any of the past-prez's you mentioned embracing efforts to keep prayer out of school, keeping parents ignorant of birth-control drugs administered to their children or hindering faith-based initiatives fighting poverty or providing better education alternatives. Today's DNC make these planks in the party platform!
Maybe not publically but they certainly put in the judges who did do just that.
Let me know what the % of attendees at this year's Democratic convention who profess to be "Christian". 95%...or 59%? I'm betting even less...
It will probably be about the same ratio as the American public at large. People with "No Religion" aren't any more inclined to be Democrats then most people in other Christian groups. Granted they are less likely to be Republicans, but that's most likely due to fear of the Religious Right.
Here is the breakdown
| # of Adults | % Republican | % Democrat | %Independent | % Other/None | |
| Catholic Baptist No Religion Christian Methodist Lutheran Presbyterian Protestant Pentecostal Episcopalian/Anglican Jewish* Mormon Churches of Christ Non-denominational Congregational/UCC Jehovah's Witnesses Assemblies of God Muslim/Islamic Buddhist Evangelical/Born Again Church of God Seventh Day Adventist |
50,873,000 33,830,000 29,481,000 14,190,000 14,140,000 9,580,000 5,596,000 4,647,000 4,407,000 3,451,000 2,831,000 2,787,000 2,503,000 2,489,000 1,378,000 1,331,000 1,105,000 1,104,000 1,082,000 1,032,000 944,000 724,000 |
28 33 17 34 36 39 46 37 32 35 13 55 41 46 34 2 59 19 9 58 38 38 |
36 39 30 28 32 26 25 22 34 35 56 14 27 16 28 10 16 35 31 12 28 28 |
30 22 43 31 27 31 26 32 27 26 26 26 26 30 33 34 19 39 48 20 25 31 |
4 6 10 7 5 4 3 9 1 4 5 5 6 8 5 54 6 7 12 10 9 13 |
| TOTAL US ADULTS* | 208,000,000 |
31 |
31 |
30 |
8 |
*Excluding Alaska and Hawaii
Me: I didn' say Democrats couldn't be Christian, I just said liberals.
You: Two words - Jimmy Carter
Again, I'm not denying there are those who claim to be Christian. Those who twist and pervert the Scriptures to support clearly heretical issues are rife in the Presbyterian, Episcopal, Catholic and ELCA churches (to name just a few). Jimmy claims to be a Southern Baptist. Guess where they stand on abortion, homosexuality, etc.?
My comments go to their actions. Liberal actions betray supposed Christian beliefs despite any public piety. For example, former Wisconsin congressman Tom Barrett's insistance that, while he "personally" thinks abortion is immoral, he voted consistently to support it under the banner of "not letting his views override those of his constituents". What a crock! Politicians are elected based on who they say they are, and they cannot shed their "morality" when it's politically convenient.
Moral consistency has always been at the core of our greatest leaders and the subsequent lack therof, of our weakest ones.
Four words: Jimmy Carter & Bill Clinton
I will disagree that FDR's and JFK's judicial appointees were responsible for the degredation of the American family to the extent that LBJ's or even Nixon's were. Certainly were now seeing the greatest effect from Carter's and Clinton's (i.e. the 9th Circus Court).
Nice chart, by the way...still doesn't deal with the attendees at the DNC "lie-fest" in Boston. I'll stick to my less than 59% "true" Christin guess.
Me: I didn' say Democrats couldn't be Christian, I just said liberals.
You: Two words - Jimmy Carter
Again, I'm not denying there are those who claim to be Christian. Those who twist and pervert the Scriptures to support clearly heretical issues are rife in the Presbyterian, Episcopal, Catholic and ELCA churches (to name just a few). Jimmy claims to be a Southern Baptist. Guess where they stand on abortion, homosexuality, etc.?
Oh give me a break
The old tired "They are not a real Christians when it's not convenient for me" arguement.
You can't tell another person he's not a "Real" Christian, because for every person you claim is not a real Christian there's another Christian who would tell you that you are not a "Real" Christian because you don't believe exactly as they do. Protestants tell Catholics they a'int "Real" Christians, other denominations don't consider Mormons to be real Christians, etc.. Why should I believe you over them? Who gave you the absolute authority to choose who is a real Christian or not?
My comments go to their actions. Liberal actions betray supposed Christian beliefs despite any public piety. For example, former Wisconsin congressman Tom Barrett's insistance that, while he "personally" thinks abortion is immoral, he voted consistently to support it under the banner of "not letting his views override those of his constituents". What a crock! Politicians are elected based on who they say they are, and they cannot shed their "morality" when it's politically convenient.
They are just picking and choosing which parts of the Bible to believe in and which to discard just like you and every other Christian (And of course every Christian thinks they are the only ones who have picked and chosen the correct ones).
The Bible says homos should be killed. Have you killed any homos lately? You have also commited Seditions in this post so according to Galatians 5:20 people like you "which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God". The same with Slavery and Pedophilia, Not only are they not condemed in the Bible they are often encouraged. I don't know you personally but I would assume you are against them, So I guess your not a real Christian either.
George Bush and most Republicans aren't pushing for Blue Laws, So I guess they a'int real Christians either.
On abortion, I have no idea where according to Christianity it is wrong. Read the Bible, The unborn are often victims of God and his followers. See Hosea 9 & 13 and Amos 1, God is clearly not Pro-Life.
Moral consistency has always been at the core of our greatest leaders and the subsequent lack therof, of our weakest ones.
Agreed, But it has nothing to do with if the leader is Christian or not. Christians don't have a monopoly on morality
Nice chart, by the way...still doesn't deal with the attendees at the DNC "lie-fest" in Boston. I'll stick to my less than 59% "true" Christin guess.
And I'm sure there are Christians out there who believe there won't be any "true" Christians at the GOP convention either.
qam1, you've made so many wierd and indefensible comments in your last post, I don't know where to begin. What started as a legitimate post discussing the blatant contradictions between liberal ideology vs. Christian theology (that many of these liberals profess and...seemingly your candidate, John Kerry...hold.) Obviously, you haven't read much of the Bible lately, especially the New Testament, to validate and support such twisted, angry, anti-Christian rhetoric.
"Seditions"? Please, no YOU give me a break! ;-D
Believe me, I can only say I'll pray extra hard for you. Take care...
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