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Mark Steyn: How a serial liar suckered Dems and the media
Chicago Sun-Times ^ | 07/18/04 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 07/17/2004 6:35:46 AM PDT by Pokey78

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To: hershey

re: Wilson outed his wife to Novak?? Has that been confirmed? In understood her name was mentioned not to out her, but to legitimately question the source of the report.


41 posted on 07/17/2004 7:28:50 AM PDT by chiller (mainstream media = "Old" media and Old media is lyin' & dyin' .)
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To: hershey

It just DUMBfounds me too see the Rat side of life support known liars such as Clinton, Moore, Clarke, Wilson yet jump up and down that BUSH lied yet can't pin a thing on him?

Call me CrAzY.....


42 posted on 07/17/2004 7:32:20 AM PDT by Republic Rocker
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To: Common Tator

Correction. The shows are sent down the net live. Local stations may opt to show them later. It is rare when segments are pre-taped....as was Colin Powell's palm tree segment a few weeks ago.


43 posted on 07/17/2004 7:32:56 AM PDT by chiller (mainstream media = "Old" media and Old media is lyin' & dyin' .)
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To: Pokey78

Another Steyn out of the ball park hit. Go Mark!

Oh, that we could get this into the hands--no, make that the minds--of every voter in the US.

vaudine


44 posted on 07/17/2004 7:33:17 AM PDT by vaudine
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To: Paul_B
At least I'm assuming that's why the New York Times, MSNBC's Chris Matthews, PBS drone Bill Moyers and all the other media bigwigs Joseph C. Wilson IV suckered have fallen silent on the subject of the white knight of integrity they've previously given the hold-the-front-page treatment, too.

Third sentence needs grammatical correction, though.

You think the "too" is problematical? I don't think he meant to write "to." The rest of the sentence is fine.
45 posted on 07/17/2004 7:37:57 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: sirchtruth

**Major Wanke's prime minister, among others, told Ambassador Wilson that he believed Iraq wanted yellowcake. And Ambassador Wilson told the CIA. And the CIA's report agreed with the British and the Europeans that "Iraq was attempting to procure uranium from Africa."

**In his ludicrously vain memoir The Politics Of Truth, Wilson plays up his knowledge of the country. He makes much of his intimacy with Wanke and gives himself the credit for ridding Niger of the Wanke regime. The question then is why a man who knew so much about what was going on chose deliberately to misrepresent it to all his media/ Democrat buddies, not to mention to the American people. For a book called The Politics Of Truth, it's remarkably short of it. On page 2, Wilson says of his trip to Niger: "I had found nothing to substantiate the rumors." But he had. **



^^^^


Ambassador Wilson went to Niger in 2002, came back and told the CIA in 2002 that Iraq HAD attempted to buy yellow cake. Then he wrote an Op-ed published in the New York Times in June 2003 stating that President Bush lied when he said the famous 16 words in the January 2003 State of the Union speech, because he found NO evidence that Iraq had attempted to buy yellowcake in Niger.



It really does not take a conspiracy theorist to see that between January and June of 2003 someone approached ol' Amb Wilson and made him an offer he wouldn't refuse. I will never believe that he decided to go public with testimony that was 180° opposite to his OWN report to the CIA without external persuasion.

It had to be bribe or threat. He is such a slime ball that a hint of an invitation to the Hillary circle might have been enough.


46 posted on 07/17/2004 7:40:04 AM PDT by maica (Hitlary says; "We are going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good"...)
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To: Pokey78

Have you contacted any media to get the REST OF THE STORY out?? I am contacting Seattle Times today about this article.


47 posted on 07/17/2004 7:47:16 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion: The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: chiller

Since we now all know that a memo exists from Valerie Plame recommending her husband for the assignment, and Novak's column referred to a Bush Administration official as the source of her name, I'm wondering if it isn't possible that someone at the CIA outted her to Novak. The CIA was being fingered for alot of intelligence failures. This was just another one. But perhaps someone at the CIA was a little tired of the organization being the scapegoat, and decided to advance the tidbit that eventually brought Wilson down.


48 posted on 07/17/2004 7:49:09 AM PDT by mass55th
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To: Republic Rocker

They are very sensitive to that word, and have tried everything they know how to do, to pin that label on President Bush. Unfortunately for them, he is one of the most principled men to have held the office of the president.

Lying is a normal tactic for them so they simply cannot believe that W doesn't lie.


49 posted on 07/17/2004 7:50:54 AM PDT by maica (Hitlary says; "We are going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good"...)
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To: McGavin999
"What is particularly stunning is how the media boosted him without even giving the matter a second glance."

Kind of makes you want to laugh when these papers/news networks claim they have to have more than one verifiable source in order to print a story.

50 posted on 07/17/2004 7:51:15 AM PDT by mass55th
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To: aruanan
if you leave out certain phrases, prepositional?

I am assuming that's why all (of them) suckered have fallen silent, too

makes sense.

51 posted on 07/17/2004 7:51:16 AM PDT by bitt
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To: Pokey78
Poke....you're one of the best. Thanks.

Lando

52 posted on 07/17/2004 7:51:25 AM PDT by Lando Lincoln (GWB in 2004)
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To: SeeRushToldU_So
I think John Kerry should be prosecuted. Joe Wilson was working for the Kerry campaign at the time that Wilson changed his story to fit the Kerry agenda. HERE is a link to an old Boston Herald editorial (10/03) that discusses the fact that Joe Wilson was working for the Kerry campaign at the time the "Bush Lied" campaign was begun. Chris Lehane, the infamous campaign dirty trickster was behind the whole thing. Please help me demand that Kerry apologize for this slanderous lie.
53 posted on 07/17/2004 7:53:05 AM PDT by Eva
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To: Lando Lincoln
Steyn nailed this one !

54 posted on 07/17/2004 8:03:54 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: aruanan

I guess you're right. I also thought the tense of "they've previously" was strained; I thought the past perfect would be better. I retract my criticism. Thanks.


55 posted on 07/17/2004 8:04:23 AM PDT by Paul_B
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To: Eva

From your link of the editorial on 23 October 2003:

Wilson also acknowledged that he has been advising Kerry on foreign policy for about five months. Yes, that would put it before Wilson started criticizing President Bush for the line in his State of the Union message about Iraq seeking uranium from Niger for use in Saddam Hussein's nuclear program. (Wilson was the one sent to Niger by the CIA to investigate the charge, but insists he found no evidence of same.)



So this slimeball has been used by the Kerry/Kennedy Mass Dem machine.


56 posted on 07/17/2004 8:04:57 AM PDT by maica (Hitlary says; "We are going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good"...)
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To: maica

I believe that the Kerry campaign was behind the whole smear, not from the beginning, but starting with Joe Wilson. The Bush lied campaign was started in March, with the hullabaloo over the forged Italian documents, but it got very little traction, until Chris Lehane got a hold of Joe Wilson. And then the whole thing just escalated from there, including the accusation about outing Wilson's CIA wife.


57 posted on 07/17/2004 8:11:07 AM PDT by Eva
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To: hershey
Turns out HE, himself, was the one who told Novak his wife was in the CIA.

Where did you getthat conclusion from? I have not heard this, I thought it was still under unvestigation. Please share your source.

58 posted on 07/17/2004 8:37:03 AM PDT by TheOtherOne
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To: hershey
Turns out HE, himself, was the one who told Novak his wife was in the CIA.

I've not heard of this until now. Where did you get this info and if true, WHY IN THE HELL DIDN'T NOVAK SAY SO IN THE FIRST PLACE?
59 posted on 07/17/2004 8:44:28 AM PDT by demkicker
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To: aruanan; Paul_B
There should have been "to whom" in front of "they've," and the bit about media bigwigs should have probably been parenthetical. Thus, the sentence should have read thus,

At least I'm assuming that's why the New York Times, MSNBC's Chris Matthews, and PBS drone Bill Moyers (along with all the other media bigwigs Joseph C. Wilson IV suckered) have fallen silent on the subject of the white knight of integrity to whom they've previously given the hold-the-front-page treatment, too.

Given Steyn's prolific, high-quality prose sprinkled with facts that make his point obvious (like that bit about cowpeas), I'm more than willing to forgive the occasional glarp. The man's a genius. It's humbling to read his work.

Still, an ennumerated list of Joe's lies with sources would have been more powerful, thus making both the charges and Wilson's mendacity unmistakable.

60 posted on 07/17/2004 8:44:57 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to be managed by central planning.)
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