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AP Article shows that Bush asked about Vietnam pilot slot. (Kerry's bogus claims refuted-February 8
San Diego Union Tribune ^ | February 8, 2004

Posted on 07/16/2004 12:29:03 PM PDT by ArmyBratproud

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21 posted on 07/16/2004 12:51:44 PM PDT by RaceBannon (God Bless Ronald Reagan, and may America Bless God!)
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To: ArmyBratproud
"The entire heart and soul of John Kerry's personna is Vietnam," said Brinkley. "What happened to him is so seared into his being that it's almost like rings in an old redwood tree."

Kerry's fierce criticism of the war upon his return to America did not sit well with some veterans, and still doesn't.

As an anti-war leader, he asserted in testimony to Congress that U.S. soldiers had "raped, cut off ears, cut off heads ... randomly shot at civilians ... poisoned food stocks" and committed other atrocities he later acknowledged he did not witness.


Amazing so much packed into 4.5 months in Viet Nam by the Frenchman.
22 posted on 07/16/2004 12:51:44 PM PDT by dyed_in_the_wool (Why do Al Qaeda and DNC press releases always sound the same?)
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To: ravingnutter

"Udell, now a 270-pound judo expert who describes himself as a "war-type guy," said Bush had an extraordinary memory and ability to process information. From Udell's perspective, Bush's ability to overcome his aristocratic schooling at Phillips Academy in Andover, Mass., and Yale University and mix with the other guardsmen was more impressive. "It is OK to get a good education, but some of those people are a little off the wall," he said. "I just wanted to make sure that he was in it for real."

Udell said he spent six hours a day for six months training Bush. And that's not all. "We would go to the bar and play dead bug just like everybody else," he said. When someone yelled "dead bug" the pilots would hit the floor and stick their hands and feet up in the air. "The last guy to do that has to buy the next round," Udell said, laughing. "He was really good with folks," he said. But the young pilot did not take insults well: "You can't put him down too easily. He's really tough. He'll fight you." "

Sounds like GW knew how to be a good leader..even as a young officer.
Udell seems to think Bush is very intelligent...Which we all know is true.

Again..thanks for this post ravingnutter....I will add it to my info vault


23 posted on 07/16/2004 12:54:38 PM PDT by ArmyBratproud
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To: ArmyBratproud

You should have put this February article on your other thread about the AP court business:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1172788/posts


24 posted on 07/16/2004 12:54:58 PM PDT by cyncooper ("We will fear no evil...And we will prevail")
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To: ArmyBratproud
He would fly planes like his father did in World War II, but he had to know the odds of going to Vietnam were low.

Air National Guard was not necessarly a good way of decreasing the odds of going to Vietnam. Lots of ANG pilots and enlisted men were activated and served in Nam. Army National Guard would have been a better option to lower the odds.

25 posted on 07/16/2004 12:55:38 PM PDT by Ditto ( No trees were killed in sending this message, but billions of electrons were inconvenienced.)
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To: ArmyBratproud; cyncooper

You should enter the publish date ESPECIALLY when article is from months ago. I didn't realize that it was old when I replied earlier.


26 posted on 07/16/2004 12:57:34 PM PDT by NutCrackerBoy
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To: ravingnutter

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27 posted on 07/16/2004 1:02:22 PM PDT by baseballmom (Michael Moore - An un-American Hatriot)
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To: cyncooper

Why are you stirring up this story?"

Because unlike too many folks who just sit around crying about how the media is just ignoring the truth and won't let people see the truth blah, blah, blah...
I feel it is better to find that truth and then post it where ever I can so people will see that truth. The more people will do that...the more we can get around those media folks and get the truth out there.


28 posted on 07/16/2004 1:05:44 PM PDT by ArmyBratproud
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To: ArmyBratproud
Why would Kerry be concerned with the fact that at that time guys joined the National Guard to evade the draft. After all, lest we forget, guys at that time also joined the Navy to evade the draft.

From about 1965 to 1972 anybody who enlisted in something other than the Marines or the Infantry was, in fact, evading the draft and it's probable outcome ~ namely, if you were drafted the odds were good you'd go to the Marines or the Infantry.

Why don't we have anybody running for top office who served in the Marines or the Infantry in Viet Nam during the Viet Nam War?

29 posted on 07/16/2004 1:08:04 PM PDT by muawiyah
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You imply that enlisting in the the Coast Guard was a way to avoid Viet Nam service. Maybe for some, but not for the many. The Coast Guard has a long tradition of serving this country and its men and women regularly face danger in war (when it is under the Navy) and in peacetime. The Coast Guard was very active in Viet Nam and I was one who spent 50 weeks over there. See this link:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1555715281/ref=sib_rdr_dp/102-2772432-4659326?%5Fencoding=UTF8&no=283155&me=ATVPDKIKX0DER&st=books

About 60 days ago a Coast Guard man was lost in Iraq while performing boarding operations. Last week I visited the Maritime Museum in Astoria, Oregon, where there is a display to honor the men who go out rescue fishermen and weekend sailors at the risk of their own lives. No, the Coast Guard, not unlike the other branches of the armed forces, is not the service you enter if you want to stay safe.
30 posted on 07/16/2004 1:08:14 PM PDT by CedarDave ("Top Secret": Classification used by the media to prevent delivery of positive news on Bush or Iraq)
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To: ArmyBratproud
If you are collecting articles, here is another one I had on file:

After the Bush AWOL story had percolated for months, Col. Turnipseed finally remembered another glitch in his story: the fact that National Guard regulations allowed Guard members to miss duty as long as it was made up within the same quarter. And, in fact - according to the Times - that's what Bush did.

"A document in Mr. Bush's military records," the paper said, "showed credit for four days of duty ending Nov. 29 and for eight days ending Dec. 14, 1972, and, after he moved back to Houston, on dates in January, April and May." The paper found corroboration for the document, noting, "The May dates correlated with orders sent to Mr. Bush at his Houston apartment on April 23, 1973, in which Sgt. Billy B. Lamar told Mr. Bush to report for active duty on May 1-3 and May 8-10."

Yet another document obtained by the Times blew the Bush AWOL story out of the water. It showed that Mr. Bush served at various times from May 29, 1973, through July 30, 1973 - "a period of time questioned by The Globe," the Times sheepishly admitted.

Source

As to my name, I got that from a bunch of rabid Dems on another forum during the impeachment. I was still lurking at FR then, but was posting stories (from the original sources rather than FR) that I found on FR on their forum. They called me a raving nutter, which I thought was hilarious, so when I signed up on FR, I used it. I wear it as a badge of honor, LOL!

31 posted on 07/16/2004 1:09:36 PM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: ArmyBratproud
Because unlike too many folks who just sit around crying about how the media is just ignoring the truth and won't let people see the truth blah, blah, blah... I feel it is better to find that truth and then post it where ever I can so people will see that truth. The more people will do that...the more we can get around those media folks and get the truth out there.

As I've pointed out, this would have been more appropriately linked on the current news of the day's thread about the AP.

As to your implication this information wasn't thoroughly researched, posted and discussed all along--including this February article--that is false. We are all well-informed here contrary to your insinuations that my question conveyed a lack of interest. I am completely well-versed on this topic.

If you are going to post an old article in the future, please include the date in the headline in parenthesis, and include in your comments that there is a contemporary event that relates to resurrecting the article. Thank you.

32 posted on 07/16/2004 1:12:11 PM PDT by cyncooper ("We will fear no evil...And we will prevail")
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To: NutCrackerBoy

I thought I had put that on there.

The point of posting the article was to get the info out there that was buried in the tail end of the article...
That way people who may not have seen it may see it now.


33 posted on 07/16/2004 1:12:29 PM PDT by ArmyBratproud
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To: ArmyBratproud
As it was the FIRST FIVE OR SIX TIMES THIS INFORMATION BECAME PUBLIC, the left will ignore it and it'll be forgotten.

That's where the White House is messing up. Today's dumbed down voters learn by Pavlovian repetition. The AP typically repeats the keyphrase du jour once a paragraph in every story, ever day, for a week or two. By contrast, the GOP still believes stating the truth once a month is enough for people with IQs to absorb.

It isn't. How mmany people still thing the president sais "Niger" and "yellowcake" in his famed (urban legend) 16 word sentence?

34 posted on 07/16/2004 1:14:14 PM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: cyncooper
Why are you stirring up this story?

Maybe because AP is stirring up the pot again? And sometimes it is best to let a relevant story stand on it's own as a re-post so it will get more attention. I have seen it done on FR before. I think the problem is in not specifying that it was a re-post or an older article. As she/he is fairly new from what I can tell from the sign up date, I see no harm/no foul, it is important info that needs to be brought to the forefront in light of the AP case.

35 posted on 07/16/2004 1:18:22 PM PDT by ravingnutter
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"This article on the National Guard is from February, number one."

And the average voter stil doesn't know it't out there.

"As to the Wilson saga, there is a grand jury underway and the WH would be fools to make public comment on the issue. The truth IS getting out there"

As with the NG/Vietnam factoid, the point is to NOT let the truth get out there to the average voter until after Novemeber 2. The ploy is to keep the average voter so confused by rumor that they don't know WHAT to believe, and either put in a last minute, defiance vote for the party alleging itse;f a victim of a divisive smear campaign, or don't vote at all.

All the AVERAGE voter knows is that Wilson says he debunked the president's "yellowcake statement" and his wife was "outted" in "revenge" for him going against the administration's wishes. The truth obviously has NOT come into play at all.

36 posted on 07/16/2004 1:21:15 PM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: ArmyBratproud

Thanks for the repost. Good stuff.


37 posted on 07/16/2004 1:21:31 PM PDT by NutCrackerBoy
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To: ravingnutter

Or the actual title.

You know I'm well-versed on this story, but giving it contemporary context is helpful. I've been aware of the AP court shenanigans.


38 posted on 07/16/2004 1:22:52 PM PDT by cyncooper ("We will fear no evil...And we will prevail")
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To: ravingnutter

And as I mentioned...I thought I had placed the Feb date in the published section.

My point is to get the info to those who did not know about it.


39 posted on 07/16/2004 1:24:22 PM PDT by ArmyBratproud
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To: cake_crumb

The average voter knows Bush served and they are done with it. The AP is trying to resurrect and I contend this article should have been linked on one of those threads. BTW, posting actual headlines are the guidelines.

As to Wilson, that story is getting out there, despite the cries from some that it's not. It would not be right for the WH to speak out on Plame and Wilson at this time. They are cooperating with that grand jury investigation. Patience on that one.


40 posted on 07/16/2004 1:26:38 PM PDT by cyncooper ("We will fear no evil...And we will prevail")
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