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Mo. High Court May Decide Whether Boy Can Be Circumcised
Kansas City Channel ^ | July 15, 2004

Posted on 07/16/2004 8:42:13 AM PDT by presidio9

KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- For most little boys, circumcision is a decision for the parents to make. But the Missouri Supreme Court may make that decision for one local boy because his parents don't agree.

Two-and-a-half-year-old Ethan Azar's mother does not want to have him circumcised.

"There's no medical society in the world that recommends it, including the American Academy of Pediatrics," said Camille Azar.

But Ethan's father was recently granted sole custody. He wants his son circumcised. While the boy's father and his attorney would not appear on camera, they did cite personal, social and health reasons for wanting the circumcision, KMBC's Kelly Eckerman reported.

Circumcision removes the layer of skin covering the penis. It is something more and more parents are opting not to do, Eckerman said. The medical community calls it a personal decision.

"Everyone has their bias. But we try to base recommendations on sound medical evidence and it just isn't there to say yes or no," Dr. Ken Wible said.

Lower courts refused to intervene, so the case is now going to the Missouri Supreme Court to see if Ethan's father should be able to go ahead with the circumcision.

"The fact the courts have ruled he can make medical decisions doesn't mean he can make a decision to have part of the healthy living flesh of the child cut off," said Dennis Owens, Camille Azar's attorney.

Doctors did tell KMBC that Ethan's age is a factor.

"At that age, a child is going to need anesthesia," Wible said.

Camille Azar said that the decision should be up to her son when he's older.

"I want Ethan to make the decision about his own body," Camille Azar said.

Eckerman said that religion plays a role in some families' decisions about circumcision, but that has not been an issue here. The battle over Ethan's circumcision comes in the middle of a custody battle. A decision from the state's high court is expected within two weeks.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: Missouri
KEYWORDS: anteaters; circumcision; cleanliness; mutilation; warheads
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To: Glenn

Sorry, Glenn, didn't know you were so sensitive. Try this one instead.

One day in the hospital, two little boys were lying on stretchers next to each other outside of the operating room. The first boy leans over and asks, "What are you in for?"

"I'm here to get my tonsils out and I'm nervous," the second boy says.

The first kid says, "You've got nothing to worry about! I had that done when I was four. They put you to sleep and when you wake up they give you lots of ice cream and
Jell-O. It's a breeze!"

"Well what are you here for?" the second kid asks.

"A circumcision." The first kid replys woefully.

The second kid says "Wow! I had that done when I was born and I couldn't walk for a year!"


21 posted on 07/16/2004 9:03:19 AM PDT by johniegrad
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To: Servant of the 9

Wow that's your reasoning for getting circumcised? LOL


22 posted on 07/16/2004 9:04:24 AM PDT by cyborg
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To: BikerNYC
No circumcision generally means a social life with no oral sex when older.

That's crazy talk. He will enjoy engaging in plenty of oral sodomy should he so choose later in life.

Really, with who?

I have heard oral sex discussed by over 100 women over the years, and all but one or two have said they didn't do uncircumcised men.

So9

23 posted on 07/16/2004 9:06:06 AM PDT by Servant of the 9 (Goldwater Republican)
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To: Servant of the 9

Sex is not everything. Besides what happens if a girl does not want to do that cut or not?


24 posted on 07/16/2004 9:07:49 AM PDT by cyborg
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To: cyborg
Wow that's your reasoning for getting circumcised? LOL

It's all the reason I needed to have my son circumcised.

This case surprises me because it is usually the women who insist on circumcision, not the fathers.

So9

25 posted on 07/16/2004 9:08:21 AM PDT by Servant of the 9 (Goldwater Republican)
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To: malakhi

"What about him? I had abdominal surgery when I was six years old. My parents didn't ask me for my consent."

abdominal surgery was probably to correct a defect not alter a normally functioning part for cosmetic reasons.


26 posted on 07/16/2004 9:08:38 AM PDT by CzarNicky (The problem with bad ideas is that they seemed like good ideas at the time.)
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To: cyborg
Sex is not everything. Besides what happens if a girl does not want to do that cut or not?

For your sex organ, sex is everything, so you should have it in optimal configuration.

So9

27 posted on 07/16/2004 9:09:57 AM PDT by Servant of the 9 (Goldwater Republican)
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To: Servant of the 9; BikerNYC
I have heard oral sex discussed by over 100 women over the years, and all but one or two have said they didn't do uncircumcised men.

They might say that, but I've never encountered a problem.

28 posted on 07/16/2004 9:10:24 AM PDT by Modernman ("I don't care to belong to a club that accepts people like me as members" -Groucho Marx)
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To: CzarNicky

The point is, it is not necessary to obtain the consent of a minor child before doing a medical procedure.


29 posted on 07/16/2004 9:11:35 AM PDT by malakhi
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To: Servant of the 9

That's not what I asked. I asked if what happens if a girl does not want to give a guy oral sex? Then what?


30 posted on 07/16/2004 9:12:24 AM PDT by cyborg
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To: malakhi
"The point is, it is not necessary to obtain the consent of a minor child before doing a medical procedure."

and if the kid doesn't want it in the future? How do you go about reversing it?
31 posted on 07/16/2004 9:13:09 AM PDT by CzarNicky (The problem with bad ideas is that they seemed like good ideas at the time.)
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To: cyborg
That's not what I asked. I asked if what happens if a girl does not want to give a guy oral sex? Then what?

I've broken up with girls over that. A lot of Southern girls have an issue with playing the skin flute.

32 posted on 07/16/2004 9:13:58 AM PDT by Modernman ("I don't care to belong to a club that accepts people like me as members" -Groucho Marx)
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To: Modernman
I have heard oral sex discussed by over 100 women over the years, and all but one or two have said they didn't do uncircumcised men.

They might say that, but I've never encountered a problem.

Of course, the women who become your lovers find it more or less acceptable, but you don't know how many women ended relationships, or backed away from one because of it.

So9

33 posted on 07/16/2004 9:14:45 AM PDT by Servant of the 9 (Goldwater Republican)
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To: Servant of the 9

Not to brag or anything, but it has been my experience that if you are a good, conscientious lover, you can get what you want out of making love. This might sound trite, but good sex is about so much more than just the physical aspect of things. While a person might say or think things when "normal", once in the throws of passion, things look differently, so to speak.


34 posted on 07/16/2004 9:15:28 AM PDT by Paradox (Occam was probably right.)
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To: Servant of the 9
I have heard oral sex discussed by over 100 women over the years, and all but one or two have said they didn't do uncircumcised men.

Wow. 100 women? That's some sample. If you're a man, are those women that were speaking with you at the time they were doing it? If you're a woman, you are literally living the life of Sex in the City having so many of those conversations. I'm pretty impressed either way.

I know plenty of uncut men who enjoy a life of care-free oral sodomy with women outside the bounds of traditional marriage, all of whom do not pay for the service, for the most part, and who claim that their multiple partners enjoy watching the guy come out of his little house.
35 posted on 07/16/2004 9:16:27 AM PDT by BikerNYC
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To: CzarNicky

Which is why it should be left up to him.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but "sole custody" does not mean "has no rights." If that's what we're to make of it, then all those fathers' rights groups here should just STFU?

If both parents don't agree on the need for cosmetic surgery, it shouldn't be done. Period.


36 posted on 07/16/2004 9:17:11 AM PDT by horatio
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To: malakhi
"According to the article, Dad has full custody. I don't see why the mother should have any say in the matter."

I think dad ought to be careful here. The kid can always have it circumcised later if he wants, but there is no operation that can reverse a circumcision. Some men resent being circumcised. I side with mom on this one.
37 posted on 07/16/2004 9:17:38 AM PDT by monday
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To: All
After seeing where this thread has gone...


38 posted on 07/16/2004 9:17:51 AM PDT by COEXERJ145
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To: CSM

Having been the object of a custody dispute, that is my interpretation as well.


39 posted on 07/16/2004 9:17:53 AM PDT by thoughtomator (End the imperialist moo slime colonization of the West!)
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To: Modernman; cyborg
That's not what I asked. I asked if what happens if a girl does not want to give a guy oral sex? Then what?

I've broken up with girls over that. A lot of Southern girls have an issue with playing the skin flute.

Southern girls don't have an issue with helmets, only with anteaters. You proved my point.
You will have to break up with a lot fewer women if you get a trim.

So9

40 posted on 07/16/2004 9:18:23 AM PDT by Servant of the 9 (Goldwater Republican)
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