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To: Rokke
Your contention was that the eyewitnesses did not say it was a missile. Lisa Perry said she thought it was a missile, my nefarious editing merely was to counter your suggestion that the eyewitnesses didn't think they saw a missile. Your editing of her statement is quite another matter. She also went on to say that she got the impression from the FBI agents who interviewed her, they thought it was a missile, too. And speaking of cover-ups, after the NTSB hearings, she was told that she was too far away to have seen what she believed she had seen.

Here’s what Accuracy in Media's courageous Reed Irvine wrote last week:

"The recently released FBI reports of their interviews of eyewitnesses to the downing of TWA Flight 800 contain enough dynamite to blow the lid off the FBI-NTSB-CIA-DOD cover-up of the cause of the crash of TWA Flight 800 on July 17, 1996. The FBI wouldn't even let the NTSB investigators see these reports for a long time. When they finally sent copies of 756 eyewitness reports to the NTSB, they were in great disarray, causing a further delay in their release to the public. The NTSB recently made them available, together with related documents, on a CD-ROM. These can now be found on Cmdr. William S. Donaldson's web site, www.TWA800.com. This is a treasure trove for anyone interested in getting the truth about the TWA 800 crash.

"Hundreds of eyewitnesses saw TWA Flight 800 crash off the southern coast of Long Island, and what they saw was widely reported by the print and electronic media at the time. The FBI took control of the investigation and refused to let the NTSB interview eyewitnesses. No eyewitnesses were permitted to testify at the NTSB public hearing on the TWA crash in Dec. 1997, and the FBI would not permit any discussion of the 244 eyewitness reports it had shared with the CIA. The CIA used them to produce a video simulation of the crash. James Kallstrom, who headed the FBI investigation, said the questioning of eyewitnesses "would have the unintentional effect of undermining the CIA's work." [In other words, don't let the facts interfere with their conclusions.]

If it is a lie that hundreds of eyewitnesses saw something like a missile rise up and strike TWA800, it is not my lie or exaggeration.

259 posted on 08/02/2004 8:29:08 PM PDT by GregoryFul (Liberals are pathological liars. They admire liars, they regale in lies, they spread lies.)
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To: GregoryFul
"She also went on to say that she got the impression from the FBI agents who interviewed her, they thought it was a missile, too."

They did think it was a missile. That's why they were there in the first place. The whole event was being investigated on the assumption it was a criminal act. But as the investigation continued, it became quite clear that there was no overt criminal act. On the topic of Lisa Perry's recollection of the evening, here is some other things she claims to have seen...

"Then a moment later there was another explosion, and the plane broke jaggedly in the sky," says Perry. "The nose is continuing to go forward; the left wing is gliding off in its own direction, drifting in an arc gracefully down; the right wing and passenger window are doing the same in their direction out to the right; and the tail with its fireball leaps up and then promptly into the water below. The sounds were a huge BOOM! – then another BOOM!"

This description came from a person who was no closer than 15 miles from the crash site. I've been a professional pilot for the last 15 years. I will tell you without even a reasonable shadow of a doubt that someone 15 miles away from a 747 cannot descern the nose from the tail, nevermind the left wing from the right. Passenger window?!?! Not a chance. This lady is a liar. Plain and simple. She is absolutely not a credible witness to support any theory.

If your quote from the "courageous" Reed Irvine is really only a week old than he is about 2 or 3 years out of date. The NTSB eyewitness data has been available for years.

Finally, if you repeat something you know is not true, you are lying. It doesn't matter where the lie originated from. You don't have to believe me. Read the eyewitness testimonies yourself.

260 posted on 08/03/2004 8:09:43 AM PDT by Rokke
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To: GregoryFul; Rokke
"Here’s what Accuracy in Media's courageous Reed Irvine wrote last week:"

Reed Irvine had a massive stroke months ago. Here's what his son had to say about his condition recently.

June 20, 2004

Father's Day Reflection by Don Irvine

As I sit in my hotel room in Seoul, Korea, I can't help but think of my father thousands of miles away in Maryland. I would love to call him and wish him a happy Father's Day, but I can't. It isn't because of the 13 hour time difference either. It is because he is in a nursing home recovering from a stroke.

It has been nearly 6 months since my father Reed Irvine suffered a massive stroke while eating dinner at home. In that time I have learned a lot about the debilitating effects of strokes and the dramatic change in the quality of life for my father.

Let me tell briefly tell you about my father. He was born on September 29, 1922 and was the youngest of 5 children born to William and Edna Irvine. He went to the University of Utah where in addition to studying economics he wrestled, earning him the nickname "Killer". After college he was drafted and served in the Navy and Marine Corps. during WWII. He was sent to Japanese language school in Boulder, Colorado and using his newly learned language spent much of the war interrogating prisoners of war. After the war he helped in the relief effort in Nagasaki, Japan and met my mother. They were married on August 14, 1947.

My father then took my mother to Oxford, Englandafter he was awarded a Fulbright scholarship. After his schooling was done he moved to Washington, D.C. and started working for the Federal Reserve as an economist. With his language skills he was able to travel top Japan and Korea often and met with officials of the Bank of Japan and Bank of Korea on behalf of the Fed. He worked at the Fed until 1977 when he retired to devote his attention to Accuracy In Media which he founded in 1969. From that point until the time of his stroke he worked tirelessly for the cause and led AIM to many successes including numerous on the air corrections by the major media.

As a father he was my idol. He believed strongly in character, honesty and integrity and lived his life with these virtues in mind. He taught me these principles and I have tried teaching them to my own children. He also showed great love and compassion when my mother broke her hip in November of 2003 by staying by her side day after day in the hospital for the time it took her to recover. His devotion was so great that he only returned to the office at my urging once he felt my mother was well enough to get around at home. Even then he wouldn't spend a full day in the office. This was remarkable for a man that before his nearly fatal heart attack at the beginning of 2003 would frequently work 12-14 hour days and go to the office on weekends as well.

Now unfortunately things are very different. He spends most of his day in bed and sleeps a lot. He is fed mostly through a tube in his stomach, though he can eat small portions of baby food. Most disheartening to me is that I have noticed short term memory loss which isn't unusual for stroke victims, but wasn't apparent before.

I am grateful for friends and colleagues who have taken time to visit my father on a regular basis and keep encouraging him. I think it does make a difference. I am also grateful that he was lucky enough to have lived a very full life and make a contribution to society. He has surely left his mark. For those of you reading this I hope you have been as blessed as I have been to have a father like mine. May you honor your father as I will honor mine. Accuracy In Media


262 posted on 08/03/2004 9:19:39 AM PDT by Hal1950
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