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1 posted on 07/15/2004 5:43:40 PM PDT by knak
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To: knak
Smoking is the top preventable cause of death in the United States, leading to 400,000 deaths a year. Ninety percent of smokers get hooked as children or teen-agers, according to public health groups.

I just can't wait until Congress go after AIDS and the homosexuals as rabidly as they do cigarettes. (not holding my breath) AIDS deaths are just as easily preventable than tobacco deaths.

2 posted on 07/15/2004 5:54:14 PM PDT by hattend
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To: SheLion

ping


3 posted on 07/15/2004 6:03:35 PM PDT by Libertarianize the GOP (Make all taxes truly voluntary)
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To: knak; *puff_list; SheLion; Gabz; Just another Joe
I'm not even going to try to figure out this latest socialist crap.

FMCDH(BITS)

4 posted on 07/15/2004 6:05:24 PM PDT by nothingnew (KERRY: "If at first you don't deceive, lie, lie again!")
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To: knak
power to regulate cigarettes and give $12 billion in aid to tobacco farmers.

$12 BILLION Welfare! ??


9 posted on 07/15/2004 7:23:11 PM PDT by steplock ( www.spadata.com)
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To: knak; *puff_list; Just another Joe; Great Dane; Madame Dufarge; Gabz; MeeknMing; steve50; ...
Over the years, the government has been fighting for the FDA to regulate tobacco products.

I read (and will try to find it), where the FDA said that if tobacco EVER came under their control, they would have to BAN it, since they could never deem it safe.

I just woke up and found this first thing. Let me do some looking around.

IMHO, this could be serious for adult smokers.


11 posted on 07/16/2004 3:17:53 AM PDT by SheLion (Please register to vote! We can't afford to remain silent!!)
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To: knak
Blowing Smoke About Tobacco-Related Deaths
Actually, tobacco-related deaths occurs at an average age of
roughly 72, an age at which mortality is not unusual among
smokers and non-smokers alike. The unvarnished fact is that
children do not die of tobacco-related diseases. No matter
how you slice it, a high-intensity government campaign against
tobacco -- in the guise of "protecting children -- is disingenuous at best.
 
12 posted on 07/16/2004 3:22:24 AM PDT by SheLion (Please register to vote! We can't afford to remain silent!!)
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To: knak
(Notice the date.  This has been going on for quite sometime)

Smoke screen/Phillip Morris Wants The FDA to regulate cigarettes

What's Really Going On- 07/29/2002

(If they are so against smokers and cigarettes, why do they continually sell cigarettes and tobacco products?  Why don't they just pull it off of the market and stop making them!)

  Philip Morris, the nation’s largest cigarette manufacturer and historically a leading opponent of tobacco regulation, has broken with the rest of the industry and is embracing the government intervention it has spent decades fighting.

NEXT WEEK, Senate health committee Chairman Ted Kennedy, a longtime Philip Morris nemesis, is holding hearings on a bill that would put cigarettes under the oversight of the Food and Drug Administration. In a shift that has surprised both allies and opponents, Philip Morris lobbyists say they are eager to see the Kennedy bill move forward.

Philip Morris believes in “soup to nuts regulation of the entire industry, and we think that the FDA should be involved in all of that,” says chief legislative counsel Mark Berlind. He says the company wants to see federal oversight of cigarette ingredients, warning labels, manufacturing, and marketing-with, he adds, a few limitations. But more on that later.

APART FROM THE PACK

Philip Morris’ flip-flop has left the rest of the tobacco industry feeling confused, angry, and jilted. “They are impenetrable to me. Their strategy is impenetrable, their positions are impenetrable,” says a veteran lobbyist for one of the cigarette makers opposing FDA regulation, who spoke on the condition his name not be used. “I find their positions to be nuts.” By endorsing even limited regulation, he says, Philip Morris is opening a Pandora’s Box.

The smaller companies — R.J. Reynolds, British American Tobacco, Lorillard, and chewing tobacco and cigar manufacturers — all stridently oppose FDA regulation.

“It’s as fractured as the industry has been on an issue,” says Robert Campagnino, senior tobacco analyst for Prudential Securities.

It wasn’t so long ago that Marlboro-maker Philip Morris was public enemy No. 1 in Washington. In 1998, Philip Morris spearheaded a $100 million tobacco-industry advertising and lobbying blitz to fend off the legislation sponsored by Sen. John McCain to put the industry under FDA control.

Its fight was successful, and today cigarettes have less federal oversight than hot dogs. But $74 billion in punitive-damage judgments and more than 1,500 current lawsuits can make even the most recalcitrant corporation rethink its strategy. “We want people to know that we are dealing with the issues that arise from this product, and we think that FDA regulation is the best way to get there,” says Philip Morris’ Berlind.

BEHIND THE SMOKE

Philip Morris’ quest for governmental approval is not masochistic: There are solid business reasons for it. The company, which commands more than half of the U.S. tobacco market, earned $20 billion last year from domestic cigarette sales. But that market is, literally and figuratively, dying off at 2 percent to 3 percent a year. Philip Morris sees the future in a line of “safe” cigarettes it is developing. An FDA stamp of approval for them would be a major marketing asset. With its commanding share of the U.S. market, the company figures it can work within FDA rules to swamp its smaller competitors.

“The way they calculate it is they are going to lock in their market share so they can go to the investors and say, ‘Look, we’re practically a utility. We can guarantee this revenue stream. There aren’t any risks out there from government, we’ve solved them all,’ ” says James Derderian, who was chief of staff to the Republican-controlled House Commerce Committee during the late 1990s tobacco wars.

Philip Morris’ struggling rivals can’t afford its boldness. R.J. Reynolds is desperate for a larger share of the U.S. market. The company sold off its profitable foreign operations to Japan Tobacco in 1999, leaving it with billions in potential liability and a shrinking customer base. British American Tobacco, while fighting regulation in the United States, is simultaneously pitching itself as a responsible corporate actor abroad, leading the industry’s fight against smuggling and corruption.

The smallest of the opponents, Loews Corp.’s Lorillard Tobacco Co., calls the Kennedy bill the “Marlboro monopoly act.” “It will virtually eliminate our ability to communicate with adult consumers, thereby locking in Marlboro’s dominant position,” says Lorillard spokesman Steve Watson.

CHANGE IN STRATEGY?

Philip Morris doesn’t accept all the regulation proposed in the Kennedy bill. Probably the most controversial change Philip Morris seeks is to limit the FDA’s ability to ban cigarette ingredients. Berlind says Philip Morris just wants to prevent the FDA from making cigarettes so unpalatable that nobody will smoke them. But according to a longtime policy adviser to the company who spoke on condition of anonymity, Philip Morris is really worried that the FDA will ban nicotine. “If they say you can have half as much nicotine, and then have half as much again, and pretty soon you have a product nobody will buy,” says the adviser.

Public-health advocates are dubious of the Philip Morris reversal — they’re especially leery of Philip Morris’ desire to advertise its new smokes as “safe” — but they are starting to accept that the tobacco giant has changed strategy. “In the beginning I was cynical and thought this was a concerted ploy by the industry, but now I do think there is a real split,” says American Lung Association chief lobbyist Paul Billings, who has been fighting the tobacco industry for a decade.

Philip Morris actually began its campaign to get an FDA stamp of approval right after the Bush administration took office, according to lobbyists who do work for the company. Philip Morris tried to get the administration to sponsor an FDA bill, but Bush advisers decided the president should stick to tax refunds and avoid a messy tobacco fight.

LOBBYING POWER

Appalled at their former ally’s betrayal, the remaining tobacco companies have banded together to block any potential regulation. They have scored a lobbying coup by hiring former Rep. Tom Bliley, the pro-tobacco ex-chairman of the Commerce Committee. Bliley was once known as “the congressman from Philip Morris” because his district included the company’s Richmond, Va., manufacturing headquarters. Capitol Hill scuttlebutt has it that Bliley and Philip Morris never really got along, so his working for the competition is not a surprise.

“Bliley is there to make sure that members realize that there’s more than Philip Morris in the industry,” says a lobbyist for one of the cigarette-makers in the anti-FDA coalition. He says that Bliley, who did not return a call, has been telling his former GOP colleagues that taking up tobacco control legislation is a waste of time because it’s controversial, tedious, and in the end accomplishes nothing.

But as Bliley should know more than anyone, Philip Morris has spent decades (and millions) getting Congress to do what it wanted — which was usually nothing. Now it wants something done, so something may happen.

13 posted on 07/16/2004 3:33:07 AM PDT by SheLion (Please register to vote! We can't afford to remain silent!!)
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To: knak
agreed Ohio Republican Mike DeWine, a co-author with Massachusetts Democrat Edward Kennedy of the FDA bill.

They all look alike after being in D.C. a while.

14 posted on 07/16/2004 3:35:00 AM PDT by Glenn (The two keys to character: 1) Learn how to keep a secret. 2) ...)
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To: knak
"give $12 billion in aid to tobacco farmers" -
Al Gore "Ho'd" Tobacco.
15 posted on 07/16/2004 3:38:19 AM PDT by stocksthatgoup (Polls - Proof that when the Main Stream Media wants your opinion, they will give it to you)
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To: knak
U.S. Senators offer bill regulating tobacco by FDA

Senators Snowe and Collins of Maine support this. Both RINO'S

Friday June 14, 3:21 pm Eastern Time -By Susan Cornwell

WASHINGTON, June 14 (Reuters) - The Food and Drug Administration would regulate tobacco products under legislation introduced on Friday by a bipartisan group of senators looking to stop tobacco advertising aimed at children.

Co-sponsor Sen. Edward Kennedy denied the intent was to ban smoking. "This legislation is about protecting children," the Massachusetts Democrat told a news conference. "There are Americans who are going to smoke, and we understand that."

The U.S. Supreme Court ruled two years ago that the FDA had overstepped in authority in 1996 when it issued sweeping regulations for tobacco products.

"This legislation will give FDA the power to prevent industry advertising designed to appeal to children wherever it will be seen by children," Kennedy said at a news conference along with co-sponsors Sen. Mike DeWine, an Ohio Republican, and Sen. Richard Durbin, an Illinois Democrat.

Kennedy said the bill closely tracked a 1998 bill that had broad support in the Senate. He expected companion bipartisan legislation to be introduced in the House of Representatives soon, but he declined to name the anticipated sponsors.

The tobacco industry lobby is divided over efforts to legislate FDA authority over their products.

Loews Corp.'s  Lorillard Tobacco Co., maker of Newport and Kent cigarettes, quickly issued a statement denouncing the measure as an attempt to ban smoking.

"We interpret this proposed legislation as a thinly-veiled attempt to grant authority to an agency that by the terms of its existing mandate, must find cigarettes are not and can never be made safe and effective, and therefore would have no choice but to eventually ban the product," said Steve Watson, the company's vice president for External Affairs.

But tobacco giant Philip Morris Cos. Inc. said it welcomed the Kennedy bill. "Where there are difference, they are in degree only," said Michael Pfeil, public affairs vice president.

Under the bill, the FDA would have the authority to reduce or remove hazardous ingredients from cigarettes.

The measure would also provide for stronger warning labels on all cigarette and smokeless tobacco packages, and give the FDA the authority to prevent "misrepresentations" of tobacco products.

And it would give the FDA the power to limit the sale of cigarettes to face-to-face transactions in which the age of the purchaser can be verified by identification.

The legislation was backed by over two dozen public health groups including the American Cancer Society and the Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids. They said it was an improvement over earlier proposals that also would have allowed the FDA to regulate tobacco but were "filled with loopholes.". (Washington congressional newsroom, 202-898-8390))

16 posted on 07/16/2004 3:42:42 AM PDT by SheLion (Please register to vote! We can't afford to remain silent!!)
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To: knak
What effect does the tobacco industry buying the tobacco quotas (for $12 billion) have? I suspect this means the companies own the quotas?

If the FDA regulates tobacco products, how could anyone sue? After all, the companies are complying with Federal regulation, right?

17 posted on 07/16/2004 3:47:14 AM PDT by I_dmc
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Jul 15, 8:24 PM EDT

Senate RollCall Tobacco

The 78-15 roll call Thursday by which the Senate voted to give the FDA the power to regulate cigarettes and approved a $12 billion buyout for tobacco farmers.

On this vote, a yes vote was a vote to approve the measure and a no vote was a vote to defeat it.

Voting yes were 43 Democrats and 35 Republicans.

Voting no were 14 Republicans and one independent.

Alabama

Sessions (R) No; Shelby (R) No.

Alaska

Murkowski (R) Yes; Stevens (R) Yes.

Arizona

Kyl (R) No; McCain (R) Yes.

Arkansas

Lincoln (D) Yes; Pryor (D) Yes.

California

Boxer (D) Yes; Feinstein (D) Yes.

Colorado

Allard (R) No; Campbell (R) Yes.

Connecticut

Dodd (D) Yes; Lieberman (D) Yes.

Delaware

Biden (D) Yes; Carper (D) Present.

Florida

Graham (D) Yes; Nelson (D) Not Voting.

Georgia

Chambliss (R) Yes; Miller (D) Yes.

Hawaii

Akaka (D) Yes; Inouye (D) Yes.

Idaho

Craig (R) Yes; Crapo (R) Yes.

Illinois

Durbin (D) Yes; Fitzgerald (R) No.

Indiana

Bayh (D) Yes; Lugar (R) Yes.

Iowa

Grassley (R) Yes; Harkin (D) Yes.

Kansas

Brownback (R) Yes; Roberts (R) No.

Kentucky

Bunning (R) Yes; McConnell (R) Yes.

Louisiana

Breaux (D) Yes; Landrieu (D) Yes.

Maine

Collins (R) Yes; Snowe (R) Yes.

Maryland

Mikulski (D) Yes; Sarbanes (D) Yes.

Massachusetts

Kennedy (D) Yes; Kerry (D) Not Voting.

Michigan

Levin (D) Yes; Stabenow (D) Yes.

Minnesota

Coleman (R) Yes; Dayton (D) Yes.

Mississippi

Cochran (R) Yes; Lott (R) No.

Missouri

Bond (R) Yes; Talent (R) Yes.

Montana

Baucus (D) Not Voting; Burns (R) No.

Nebraska

Hagel (R) Yes; Nelson (D) Yes.

Nevada

Ensign (R) Yes; Reid (D) Yes.

New Hampshire

Gregg (R) No; Sununu (R) No.

New Jersey

Corzine (D) Yes; Lautenberg (D) Yes.

New Mexico

Bingaman (D) Yes; Domenici (R) Not Voting.

New York

Clinton (D) Yes; Schumer (D) Yes.

North Carolina

Dole (R) Yes; Edwards (D) Not Voting.

North Dakota

Conrad (D) Yes; Dorgan (D) Yes.

Ohio

DeWine (R) Yes; Voinovich (R) Yes.

Oklahoma

Inhofe (R) Not Voting; Nickles (R) No.

Oregon

Smith (R) Yes; Wyden (D) Yes.

Pennsylvania

Santorum (R) No; Specter (R) Yes.

Rhode Island

Chafee (R) Yes; Reed (D) Yes.

South Carolina

Graham (R) Yes; Hollings (D) Yes.

South Dakota

Daschle (D) Yes; Johnson (D) Yes.

Tennessee

Alexander (R) Yes; Frist (R) Yes.

Texas

Cornyn (R) Yes; Hutchison (R) Yes.

Utah

Bennett (R) Yes; Hatch (R) Yes.

Vermont

Jeffords (I) No; Leahy (D) Yes.

Virginia

Allen (R) Yes; Warner (R) Yes.

Washington

Cantwell (D) Yes; Murray (D) Yes.

West Virginia

Byrd (D) Yes; Rockefeller (D) Yes.

Wisconsin

Feingold (D) Yes; Kohl (D) Yes.

Wyoming

Enzi (R) No; Thomas (R) No.
53 posted on 07/17/2004 5:03:06 AM PDT by SheLion (Please register to vote! We can't afford to remain silent!!)
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To: knak
"Yes it's a marriage of convenience,...

Now "ain't" that special!

79 posted on 07/17/2004 7:14:58 PM PDT by EGPWS
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