Bin Laden's Goal: Kill 4 Million Americans

News Max ^ | Wednesday, July 14, 2004 | Stewart Stogel

[blam]

"From all these threads it appears OBL has at least 140 suitcase nukes in this country."

Yup. If only one were discovered, this story could have legs. Call me when we find one.

[js1138]

Anyone who had the means to do so would do so before getting caught. I have no doubt AQ could put together some kind of dirty bomb, but a nuke would trigger radiation detectors for ten miles around. We can spots ships with cargos of ceramic glaze tiles that are barely above background radiation. People have been stopped in the streets after having medical scans.

Nope, every day is a day closer to being caught.

[dandi]

That's why you should get the pre-assembled ones. The damn kits always have washers missing.

[NYTexan]

It's all BS & fear mongering!!!

[MarMema]

50 million Americans' goal - kill bin laden.

ROFL!!! Thanks!

[datura]

The Russians aren't alone in producing man portable nukes. The US version, was to be carried into places like East Berlin by Delta troops that were stationed in West Berlin. They had a life expectancy of 48 hours of exposure to the manpack before the radiation would kill them.

Simple mission: Avoid capture and get into position, then sit down and begin the arming seuence. If arming sequence not completed within 48 hours, auto detonation. Weight of manpack reportedly 85 pounds, and resembled a standard ALICE pack (Mountain). Those assigned this mission had no time nor desire to get away after the arming sequence - they knew that their lives were done after carrying it so long.

[thoughtomator]

Okay, how many times is this guy's hype going to be posted as if it were news?

I think this is "out there" already, I've seen at least 3 other posts that were very similar, in the past couple of days.

Why the FUD campaign?

[diamond6]

"They would also be very "Hot" and can be seen from our eyes in the sky no problem if they were already here"

Forgive my ignorance of nuclear technology... are you saying that our satelites could detect a suitcase nuke being held inside a building?

[Terp]

"It (the nuke) could render Manhattan unlivable for 1,000 years," he estimated.

Ridiculous. Hiroshima is a thriving city today, and the bomb that levelled it had a higher yield than a suitcase nuke.

When I was n the Navy stationed in Japan I made quite a few visits to Nagasaki and you had to have the effects of the bomb pointed out to you by local experts. If not you'd have completly missed them. All this guy is doing is trying to sell a book.

[fiftymegaton]

From what I gathered on another thread suitcase nukes have to be used within about a six month time period after completion due to the breakdown of their hardware from radiation. Therefore if there are suitcase nukes in the US they would have to be used within about a six month time period unless there was a secret nuke lab somewhere in country where the terrorists could service the weapons which is highly unlikely. So if the terrorists have the weapons at all they would have to use them within a six month time span upon their completion or the more likely scenario IMO is the weapons would have to be currently kept in a sympathetic country's stockpile(Iran, Pakistan, etc.) where they could be continuously serviced until the time that the terrorists would need them.

Also consider the only countries able to produce such tiny warheads are the US, Russia, and probably China and the last miniature warheads known to have been produced were probably done so in late 80s or early 90s by the former Soviet Union. So IF some suitcase nuclear warheads were sold in say 1992 by some rogue scientist in some former Soviet satellite state they would have had to be maintained and serviced a few times per year since even going as far as replacing the nuclear material(which could have been obtained only from a nation-state). Which means the nukes would have to have been immediately(within a few months after being sold) given to scientists with enough knowhow and expertise and equipment to service the weapons and keep them operational. IMO at that time there would have been only two possible countries with enough expertise and equipment to carry out the needed maintenance, China and maybe Pakistan. Of course today there may be a handful more Iran, North Korea, and maybe one or two others. So IMO due to the advanced nature of the weapons there would have to be a nation-state involved with the terrorists in pulling off a nuke attack which means if it were to happen(which I think is unlikely..at least a suitcase bomb) then we would definitely be retaliating in kind to probably more than one nation. Again this is just speculation and I am not an expert.

[joesnuffy]

Bluster....nothin but...
imo

[Oztrich Boy]

Again this is just speculation and I am not an expert.

Then you might consider writing a book on the subject

After googling past Paul Willians: the songwriter, musiciam, rock journalist, (probably not the same people), actor, architect(2-US & UK), boxer, Professors of Indain Philosophy, Atmospheric Physics, Computer Science, and the New Age moonbat poet, I eventually found:
Paul Williams, Ph.D. (Clarks Green, PA), is a journalist and author of The Vatican Exposed: Money, Murder, and the Mafia among other books. Formerly, he served as a consultant for the FBI, editor and publisher of the Metro, and an adjunct professor of Humanities at the University of Scranton.

And I recall seeing that briefcase nuke design in detail in a tinfoil hat magazine. Straight out of Popular Atomics circa 1953.

[ASA Vet]

It needs to be said again.

Dead men have no goals.

Here's one for Stewart Stogel.

[twgiles]

"Williams, quoting Russian military officials, says Moscow secretly slipped into the continental U.S. several suitcase nukes to be activated in case of the breakout of hostilities with Washington."

I've worked with and met some of these Russian military officials in bars. You can measure their vodka consumption in gph.

[randog]

Ridiculous. Hiroshima is a thriving city today, and the bomb that levelled it had a higher yield than a suitcase nuke.

My father-in-law and his two brothers cleared debris from above-ground nuclear tests at the Nevada Test Site for years. Went in a few hours after the blast and cleared out animal carcasses and burned/blasted machinery. They're all in their late 50's and early 60's and healthy as horses.

[Avenger]

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A bomb of that strength could easily level Manhattan and spread lethal radiation throughout the NYC-Metro area says the author. "It (the nuke) could render Manhattan unlivable for 1,000 years," he estimated.

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Nonsense. People are living in Hiroshima today - radiation levels decay quite quickly. Manhattan is more than 13 miles long. No way a 10-kiloton nuke would flatten Manhattan even if it were an airblast at the optimal height. A ground blast would probably cause severe damage in less than a 1 mile radius.

[DoctorZIn]

Thanks for the news tip. I posted the story on my new blog!

PS We are looking for news stories, correspondents and blog advice.

[Yasotay]

I personally knew alot of the plans for the defense of Berlin and I must say that I do not agree with your statement. Delta in Berlin is one of those areas that was somewhat unclear (sometimes they were there ... sometimes not .... if I was to bet nukes were NOT a primary mission .... being staged forward for hostage rescue seemed to be their primary job ... ). I also knew some ADM guys and Delta clearly did not have a "monopoly" in that area back then. Most of the "spy stuff" was done by the Potsdam Liaison Mission (going into East Germany) and the Field Stations. Potsdam would have been a FAR BETTER choice for your stated believed mission then Delta. I knew one guy who had over 160+ successful missions (at least that what he claimed after a couple of beers ... he was a Scout PS in the Berlin Brigade when I was a Company Commander there) into the east and had several cars shot to pieces. They knew where and how the get into the East legally and illegally (although that was not too hard ...)

[plain talk]

I don't know? The article is discussing the possibility of terrorists leveling 10 American cities and you're worried about spelling?

[Nachum]

I said it on another similar thread and I will say it on this one. If they nuke us, we should nuke numerous Muslim targets that are dear to the scum who would murder us. Especially the places they hold dear: Mecca and Medina.

Nuke 'em till their ashes glow.