Posted on 07/14/2004 4:45:06 PM PDT by familyop
I want governent to have a clear and compelling case to remove a decision from an individual, and legislate the outcome. I greatly fear a nanny state that intrudes upon every facet of my life with what's 'good' for me.
The you can't legislate morality camp is no more misinformed than the camp that wants to legislate every aspect of morality.
In the senate, you need 60 votes to reach the required two-thirds, a nearly impossible hurdle in modern times.
Do you belive that morality is not legislated?
Wow! Specter voted yea. He must be afraid of us.
Hanoi got to him.
I sure hope this comes to pass, but will believe it when I see it.
N.H. Senators Split On Same-Sex Marriage Amendment
Sununu Votes With Democrats To Kill Debate
POSTED: 3:19 pm EDT July 14, 2004
New Hampshire's Republican senators were on opposite sides Wednesday in a vote that defeated a proposed constitutional amendment banning gay marriage.Sen. John Sununu was one of six Republicans who joined 43 Democrats and one independent opposed to keeping the measure alive. Sen. Judd Gregg was one of 45 Republicans and three Democrats, and the only New Englander, who voted to keep it going, falling 12 votes short of the 60 needed to continue.
Supporters of the amendment conceded in advance they would fail to win the support needed to advance the measure.
Gregg had no further comment beyond a statement Tuesday saying he will support "language which would define marriage as between one man and one woman," a spokeswoman said. He initially said an amendment was "premature."
"Defining marriage is a power that should be left to the states," Sununu said in a statement following the vote. "Moreover, no state should be forced to recognize a marriage that is not within its own laws, Constitution, and legal precedents.
"Naturally, there exist concerns about what activist courts might do to undermine these rights and the Defense of Marriage Act, signed by President Clinton in 1996," Sununu added. "But it is premature to amend the Constitution based upon a hypothetical scenario. Furthermore, the language proposed in the Senate would take the responsibility for defining marriage away from the states -- an approach which contradicts the intent of the Defense of Marriage Act."
At issue in the Senate was an amendment providing that marriage within the United States "shall consist only of a man and a woman."
A second sentence said that neither the federal nor any state constitution "shall be construed to require that marriage or the legal incidents thereof be conferred upon any union other than the union of a man and a woman." Some critics argue that the effect of that provision would be to ban civil unions, and its inclusion in the amendment complicated efforts by GOP leaders to gain support from wavering Republicans.
President George W. Bush had urged Congress last February to approve a constitutional amendment, saying it was needed to stop judges from changing the definition of the "most enduring human institution."
"I believe marriage should be recognized as a legal union between a man and a woman," Sununu said. "If activist judges attempt to strike down the Defense of Marriage Act or force states to recognize non-traditional marriages endorsed by other states, I will support legislation that returns this power to the people as the framers of the Constitution so clearly intended."
Ha! All those Know-Nothings care about is that they belong to a union and their parents voted demorat. They've been subverted by the Church (BTW I AM Catholic) and the public schools.
The part that is disturbing is the fact that there shall be no political consequences visited upon those who rejected the amendment. If the topic is crime and vice those in the executive, legislative and judicial branches will vote to uphold, crime and vice! Further, all manner of big words shall be used to support their position i.e. justice, rights, equality, dignity etc. etc. We are on our own.
| Akaka (D-HI) Baucus (D-MT) Bayh (D-IN) Biden (D-DE) Bingaman (D-NM) Boxer (D-CA) Breaux (D-LA) Campbell (R-CO) Cantwell (D-WA) Carper (D-DE) Chafee (R-RI) Clinton (D-NY) Collins (R-ME) Conrad (D-ND) Corzine (D-NJ) Daschle (D-SD) Dayton (D-MN) |
Dodd (D-CT) Dorgan (D-ND) Durbin (D-IL) Feingold (D-WI) Feinstein (D-CA) Graham (D-FL) Harkin (D-IA) Hollings (D-SC) Inouye (D-HI) Jeffords (I-VT) Johnson (D-SD) Kennedy (D-MA) Kohl (D-WI) Landrieu (D-LA) Lautenberg (D-NJ) Leahy (D-VT) Levin (D-MI) |
Lieberman (D-CT) Lincoln (D-AR) McCain (R-AZ) Mikulski (D-MD) Murray (D-WA) Nelson (D-FL) Pryor (D-AR) Reed (D-RI) Reid (D-NV) Rockefeller (D-WV) Sarbanes (D-MD) Schumer (D-NY) Snowe (R-ME) Stabenow (D-MI) Sununu (R-NH) Wyden (D-OR) |
| Not Voting - 2 | ||
| Edwards (D-NC) |
Kerry (D-MA) | |
Not all morality is legislated. You couldn't build warehouses to hold the law books fast enough if you attempted to codify every aspect of moral behavior.
Sununu is anything but a RINO. Sununu was the only one who had the balls to stand up to the big government republicans and vote against the Medicare Prescription drug debacle. 95% rating from the ACU. Sununu is a great conservative. He is young, and has quite a future ahead of him.
Arkansas and Louisiana Senators are definitely not representing their constiuency. Definitely needs to be made a major issues there.
Actually, no, I think marriage should be privatized. Marriage is a personal matter, and often a religious matter. I think it would be better of if government didn't recognize the institution at all.
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