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To: Junior
Why did you change the subject to drugs? I was talking about porn.

If we are to believe the statistics, then porn leads to, for example, rape. Legal porn would lead to more rape. Granted, we would then prosecute and punish the rapist, but I'm saying let's prosecute and punish the producer of violent porn (simulated rape movies, eg) to minimize the crime caused by it.

You and your "victimless crimes" crowd will be the first to complain that we're locking up non-violent porn producers who have injured no one when we should be going after the rapists. You fail to see that we are going after the rapists by locking up the porn producers.

147 posted on 07/14/2004 9:31:50 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen
You and your "victimless crimes" crowd

Are you contending that there is no such thing as a victimless crime?

151 posted on 07/14/2004 9:35:33 AM PDT by Phantom Lord (Distributor of Pain, Your Loss Becomes My Gain)
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To: robertpaulsen
If we are to believe the statistics, then porn leads to, for example, rape. Legal porn would lead to more rape.

Critical words bolded.

I don't "believe" in statistics. I assess their validity.

Porn is more legal now than it has been in the history of the Republic. The legality of porn has increased since the 1970s.

Therefore, the incidence of rape should likewise increase.

Unfortunately for the thesis, the incidence of rape has declined.

Therefore, the statistics used to support the argument are not validated, and thus do not support the argument.

155 posted on 07/14/2004 9:37:05 AM PDT by Poohbah (Technical difficulties have temporarily interrupted this tagline. Please stand by.)
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To: robertpaulsen
If we are to believe the statistics, then porn leads to, for example, rape. Legal porn would lead to more rape.

I'm not sure what percentage of rapes involve the abuse of alcohol on the part of the perpetrator, the victim, or both, but I'd guess its not insignificant. Would you favor, therefore, the prohibition of alcohol?

159 posted on 07/14/2004 9:40:35 AM PDT by malakhi
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To: robertpaulsen
Why did you change the subject to drugs? I was talking about porn.

Drugs are a vice, the same as partaking of porn.   And the same arguments are made against both by those who want to control other people's lives.

If we are to believe the statistics, then porn leads to, for example, rape. Legal porn would lead to more rape. Granted, we would then prosecute and punish the rapist, but I'm saying let's prosecute and punish the producer of violent porn (simulated rape movies, eg) to minimize the crime caused by it.

You obviously skipped over post 102 by Ken H.  Here, let me re-enlighten you:

As porn increased in the 90's, there should have been more rape and sexual assault, right? From year 2000 DOJ stats:

Since 1993, rapes have declined by 60%; attempted rapes by 71.4%; and sexual assaults by 37.5%, according to NCVS figures.

-- Dept of Justice Study Shows Rape Down

You and your "victimless crimes" crowd will be the first to complain that we're locking up non-violent porn producers who have injured no one when we should be going after the rapists. You fail to see that we are going after the rapists by locking up the porn producers.

Actually, considering your contention that porn leads to rape has been shot down completely (with actual evidence, no less!), this last statement of yours is a non sequitur.
 

284 posted on 07/14/2004 10:59:59 AM PDT by Junior (FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC)
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