The Pornography Plague

Leadership U ^ | Kerby Anderson

[Heyworth]

BULLSH*T!! Every highway exit has a McDonalds. I don't see 3 porno shops at every highway exit. One every so often though.

They're probably counting every mom 'n pop video rental shop with an adult section as a porno shop, as well as every magazine stand that carries "Playboy."

Lies, damned lies, and statistics.

[Long Cut]

Those who, in their hearts, despise freedom and free will, will never give up trying to "save us from ourselves".

Fortunately, history, facts, law, and the Constitution offer ample rebuttal to their claims.

[Phantom Lord]

No, you don't get it. The poster made the correct claim that with the end of alcohol prohibition the gangs related to the illegal production of, smuggling, and control of the distribution of illegal alcohol went away. They did.

You then tried to claim that since the crips and bloods are shooting eachother up in LA that the gangs didn't go away.

[Tailgunner Joe]

Just find out the number of McDonalds there were in 1984 and the number of adult bookstores there were in 1984, and get back to me.

If I believe your sources then I will admit the claim is incorrect.

[King Prout]

LC, et alia,

these self-described "conservative" anti-porn crusaders are no more or less than statists on a religious or quasi-religious "moral" power trip. On the internet, such True Believing folk thrive on wasting the time and efforts of others.

wasting someone's time is committing murder in miniature.
to waste one's own time in fruitless debate with them is thus serial suicide on the same small scale.

don't bother with them any longer, LongCut, unless they disrupt an otherwise productive thread. Petty little vipers like these are not worthy of serious consideration, nor are they deserving of the courtesy of reasoned debate. They are immune to both, anyway. Their Shields of Vainglory protect them from all inconvenient facts and contradicting evidence.

Just let them wallow in benighted idiocy.
If they ever become a problem in the real world, there are contingencies ready to be enacted.

[Tailgunner Joe]

Anyone who would rebel against the government if it banned born is not just sick, they're pathetic.

[robertpaulsen]

"Umm...I DID refute it, in the post linked."

I cited a news story. The wording was straight from the article. Yet #1, you call it a lie and, #2, you refute it? Right. Your lie #1.

[Phantom Lord]

Just find out the number of McDonalds there were in 1984 and the number of adult bookstores there were in 1984, and get back to me.

Is there any other topic you would like to discuss that you would like to use 20 year old testimony before the Senate as the basis for your argument?

If, as has been posted on this thread that today there are less than 2,000 "Adult Bookstores", which is an industry number, is true, then it is safe to assume that number was less 20 years ago and the industry has done nothing but grow rapidly. So, lets assume that there were 2,000 back then as well. That means that there would have to have been 667 McDonalds in America in 1984. It is rediculous to think there were only 667 McDonalds in the US back then.

[AnnaZ]

FWIW... I was at the salon today and flipped through two magazines I don't normally read -- Elle and Jane. The former was lauding the launching of two wimmin's sex networks, and the latter touted Netflix-style porn-DVD delivery services. (It even recommended the hot "stars" to "not miss".)

[Ben Bolt]

Take it up with them.


Well now . Perhaps you can apply the same decision when you complain that the Judicial Branch and LE not enforcing laws ? Damn heavy pot you lug around here lately .

[Tailgunner Joe]

Even that number came from 1997.

Do you know how to do research of your own?

[Robert_Paulson2]

a business which debases women and destroys children.

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your assertion is WAY overbroad.

prove it about all of these legal businesses.
don't waate our time with your rants that assert it MUST BE SO BECAUSE DR. so-and-so, said it was this way or that.
don't opine it... via a third party. and don't point at a religious bunch of kooks who say it's so.

prove it.
That means double blind, with large control group TESTS only. Did you know that 95 percent of rapists have consumed milk in their lifetimes? What a correlation I have discovered!

The "you hate morality" accusations directed at "free speech" advocates around here these days are becoming quite ridiculous. What we are really looking at are the ongoing FALSE ASSERTIONS by the rabid opponents of personal freedom and long-accepted American liberties. These are the folks who think that "prohibition was a GREAT IDEA that could have worked... if only."

These are folks who in general believe that Blockbuster Video is a porn shop, short skirts are "whore clothing" and women who go out in public with bare legs are "trolling" for sex."

Talk about debasing the culture!
Such proclivity to push such agenda based Distortions and LIES as facts, ARE the debasement... not a National Geographic magazine, or a sealed "playboy" magazine on the top shelf, with a naked woman covered by the packaging, on the cover, at your local Barnes and Noble.

These folks are out of the mainstream extremists. And they are flat wrong. But they are not alone in the World.

I hear the taliban are hiring.
A shortage in their upper level leadership has created a vacuum for fresh blood... folks with truly Godly and moral convictions who are ready to enforce their morality on others at gunpoint if need be, to SAVE the nation. It also looks like some pseudoconservatives around here of the religious/socialist variety are ready to step into the void.

The problem is that if the wrong group of socialist/freespeech limitors gets in power, WE will be the ones who will be silenced with our designations of being a " hate speech group."

We need to castigate the nannystate. Not expand and reinforce it.

EXTREMELY limited government is true conservatism... not this constant expansion of these morality enforcing monstrosities that can be turned against us all in a moment by the whim of some tyrannical leader in the not-too-distant the future.

[Tailgunner Joe]

It also came from a different source than the one that made the McDonald's claim, a source likely to take a narrower view of the definition of an adult bookstore.

[Long Cut]

I almost didn't bother with this again, KP. We dealt quite well with it last night, and WE GET THE POINT, already! TJ and his cronies hate picture of attractive people having sex, and likewise hate those who enjoy them. They create of whole cloth reasons to make laws against them, based on their irrationality, and in no small amount their basic hatred of real freedom. What more was to be said?

However, we are in a situation right now where this false form of conservatism must be countered, vigourously, because it has the effect of driving away voters that might support REAL conservatism, because it plays into the hands of those who denounce us all as "religious nuts" who ALL want to impose a theocracy on America. Due to the crucial nature of this election, I felt it best to help prove that they are in no way representative of the vast majority of sensible, reasoned people on the Right who do not wish to limit the liberties of others, even if they do not personally like what others do with that liberty.

I was taught early on that those freedoms contained in the Constitution had a corollary...that they might be used in a manner we might NOT like, but that was no reason to abridge them. We cannot "cherry-pick" which freedoms and Liberties we will and will not support.

The statement that "I might disagree with what you say (do, photograph, publish, film, etc.), but I will defend with my life your right to say it" has regrettably fallen from the minds of those who persist in this debate. I wish to make it clear that SOME of us still believe it.

[Tailgunner Joe]

post 571 meant for you.

[King Prout]

*applause*

[Robert_Paulson2]

good points all.
good advice.

[robertpaulsen]

"Oh, and let's not forget your contention (since debunked) that rape increased as legal porn did"

That was the author's contention which I simply used as an example. Your lie #2.

"or your refusal to admit that porn is legal"

I refused to admit that porn was legal? You've got to be kidding me! Lie #3.

"or that the amount of kiddie porn (which is now illegal) would increase if mainstream porn were made "more legal".

It is my opinion that as porn is mainstreamed into our culture and made more available and less expensive, porn producers will move to kiddie porn to make money. I never knew than an opinion on this board is considered a lie if someone else disagree with it.

If that's the criteria, then you LIE big time.

[tacticalogic]

It also came from a different source than the one that made the McDonald's claim, a source likely to take a narrower view of the definition of an adult bookstore.

Do you think your source used as the basis of their definition what most people think of when they hear the term "adult bookstore"?

[Tailgunner Joe]

He really likes to project his flaws onto others, doesn't he?