Posted on 07/13/2004 10:13:55 AM PDT by truthandlife
Senate Democrats on Tuesday appeared headed toward a tactical victory over the hot-button issue of gay marriage.
What seemed likely Monday — an up-or-down Senate vote on a proposed constitutional amendment to define marriage as only "the union of a man and a woman" — appeared very doubtful a day later as Republican and Democratic leaders were unable to agree on a procedure for a vote.
Republican Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist has scheduled a Wednesday vote on cloture, a procedural move that would limit debate on the topic and allow the Senate to proceed to voting on the proposed amendment itself.
Senators who who want to avoid casting election-year votes on the amendment, one way or the other, will vote against cloture and it seems unlikely that Frist will be able to muster the 60 votes needed to invoke cloture and allow a vote on the amendment.
That will let Democrats who didn't want to cast a vote on the question of whether marriage should be limited to heterosexual couples breathing easier.
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Don't give up hope! All is not lost yet. The more people wake up to the truth of what the homosexuals have planned for us, the more people will realize the extreme gravity of the situation and become courageous and determined. FR is an excellent tool to learn the truth, and we should all try to spread the word - about FR, and the truth that is to be found here.
Check the Homosexual Agenda Archives, or Scripter's Index of articles* (he or EdReform usually post links, they're off duty right now!) and copy, email, or print out some of the awesome information they've collected. Send it to your email address book (watch out, you may become a black sheep...), print some out and distribute them at church, synagogue, at family gatherings, clubs, and so on. People who don't read FR or the other conservative websites or magazines often are completely in the dark about what is really happening.
Enlighten them! And you'd be amazed at how the sleeping giant may awaken. If those of us who are concerned about the "gay" jihad try to let others know the truth, and then THEY do the same, who knows what the result may be?
*Just do a search on scripter and find his profile page, it's all there!
You are most probably right. The opposition doesn't want to be vilified and alot of Christians hide behind "the Bible tells us not to judge others".
You're right. We should answer by saying, "I'm not judging people, I'm judging behavior, and I'm using the Bible."
Just to let y'all know what's going on here in RI...
I just had a rather interesting, and frankly, eye-opening conversation with a staffer at Senator Linc Chafee's (R-RIno) office this morning.
According to her, the Senator's Washington office has received "thousands" of petitions, and "hundreds" of phone calls from concerned citizens encouraging the Senator to vote in support of the Federal Marriage Amendment.
Yet, despite the outcry, his positioning remains the same. He does not support an amendment to the US constitution, he believes it should be an issue left up to individual states, and his "official" position is in support of "civil unions".
In other words, his people are telling him what they want, and he's still doing whatever the f**k he chooses. He has no concept of what a REPRESENTATIVE REPUBLIC is!
Rage, fury, dissapointment, pessimism...I'm feeling it all...
The proposed amendment doesn't increase the federal government's power, and the United States Constitution itself isn't by definition coextensive with the power of the federal government.
What the proposed amendment would cure would be the very rare situation where a state has managed to figure out a way to intrude upon the power of the other states - specifically, by abusing the Full Faith and Credit clause. The federal government has nothing to do with the matter.
It's our job (conservatives, FR, etc) to make the Senate scared to NOT vote on the FMA. We have to make them.
*sigh* At this point, I really don't think they care anymore. This is a classic example. Thousands of petitions, hundreds of phone calls...from a state with a total population of only around 1 million...and the Republican state senator simply doesn't give a shit.
Last month, I organized a "Defense of Marriage" rally. In about 3 weeks' time, we we able to gather about 300 people. Not too shabby. But...I didn't even get a call back from the state RNC, our Republican senator, or the Republican congressional hopeful, who's running against Patty Kennedy this fall.
They just don't care.
I have hoped since 1998 that all Trent Lott, Olympia Snowe, et al have received for Christmas is the contents of a West Virginia coal mine. Weak-kneed self-serving gobshite that they are.
Regards, Ivan
When is this RINO up for re-election? You need to get going and get him replaced now.
Yesterday I telephone the office of Craig Thomas (R-WY) and was politely told that 'Senator Thomas has not made up his mind yet'. Crockola! His cohort from Wyoming, Mike Enzi, has and will vote for the amendment. Thomas always gave the impression that he was conservative but, oh well, its better that we know now so we can vote his a$$ out of office.
'06.
If it takes everything I have, he will be out of a job in two years.
So that would leave Republicans free to attack the DemocRATS' positions without any response.
Just as well. This not an issue that required a Constitutional amendment and would have set a bad precedent. Regardless of whether one supports a ban on gay marriage, this was not the way to go about it.
All flash, no heat.
You have nothing to worry about. All it takes is 13 states to say No at ratification time, and any proposed amendment is dead.
Trust the Framers.
It is the only way to go to avoid the inevitable cadre of lefist judges redefining what society has already determined to be so. Regardless of any circumstantial particulars, or claims, marriage is and is universally recognized as a mutually agree to contract between a man and a woman.
Only those elements of reality that pose a threat to leftists causes in general are subject to such radical redefinition. In this case it's important enough to pass the amendment and postpone consideration of a more general amendment that would protect the identity and meaning of reality itself.
..... more like a simmering bed of red hot coals.
No heat. How else do you explain the pasting it's getting in the Senate?
Then what is the way to do it? Roll over, play dead, and let the homosexual rightists and their minions have their way with us?
What third option is there, or do you prefer the second option, above?
You did an amazing job, It's - really inspiring. And in the face of silence from Republicans who SHOULD have supported and applauded your efforts. RI is such a liberal sinkhole. Yet there are conservatives who live there - the state gov't is Mafia run and liberally larded. (AFAIK!)
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