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To: Terpfen

Your prediction is absurd. I'd suggest you come down to planet Earth and look at the facts.

One of those facts is that no president in modern American history has ever received 65 percent of the vote, which you predict for President Bush.

As for Kerry being "so far behind" ... you'll have to come up with a theory for why the polls are off by 10 points.
They rarely are. Sure, some polls oversample Dems and undersample Republicans. But the good polls show a close race. If Republicans continue to show the same complacency you have, or the same despair that some on FR have, we will indeed lose.


188 posted on 07/12/2004 2:10:06 PM PDT by California Patriot (California Patriot)
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To: California Patriot
"Your prediction is absurd. I'd suggest you come down to planet Earth and look at the facts."

The only absurdity here is the amount of credit you give to the Kerry campaign.

"One of those facts is that no president in modern American history has ever received 65 percent of the vote, which you predict for President Bush."

Care to explain Reagan's landslides? Getting the popular vote is nice, but it's a majority of the Electoral College votes that gets one into the Presidency, and Bush will get 65% of that--my prediction based on what the political scene will look like November 2, not July 12.

"Sure, some polls oversample Dems and undersample Republicans. But the good polls show a close race."

And the good polls in 1988 put Dukakis up by 17 points. Your problem is that you put too much credence in polls, which can be slanted in any way (not just by who is sampled), and not enough into electoral trends of the past 30 years. You seem to also forget that Bush bucked history in 2000 by defeating the vice president of a popular two-term incumbent president; then history was bucked in 2002 when the sitting president's party gained seats in Congress, rather than lost seats. You ignore Bush's electoral abilities exhibited as early as 1994 in his race for Texas governor, where he unseated a popular incumbent governor in a state that at the time still leaned Democrat. You ignore the impact of September 11 on the national consensus. You ignore all of this, and instead choose to believe Gallup and Zogby when they say Kerry has a real shot at the presidency. The only one without a firm grounding here is you.

"If Republicans continue to show the same complacency you have, or the same despair that some on FR have, we will indeed lose."

I am not complacent, and you are the one in despair (though I agree with your point; I merely suggest you look in the mirror). There are plenty of things that could happen to tilt the election in favor of Kerry. The quirk here is that the odds of these things happening aren't worth worrying over. Considering, yes. Worrying, no.
193 posted on 07/12/2004 5:32:37 PM PDT by Terpfen (James Lileks: "A single death... is a tragedy. A million deaths is a U.N. committee report.")
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