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Open source kills jobs, says Gates (Microsoft FUD)
Asia Computer Weekly ^ | Jul 12 2004 | Jorina Choy

Posted on 07/11/2004 4:39:34 PM PDT by N3WBI3

Putrajaya: In muted tones, Microsoft’s chairman warned governments and companies that open source software is not the way to go if they are in the business of creating jobs and intellectual property.

Bill Gates was on the Malaysian leg of a whirlwind Asian tour, which included a speech on his vision of “seamless computing”, when he voiced his concerns over the growing goodwill towards open source, especially in Asia.

It is one of the top two challenges facing Microsoft today, the other being software piracy, which is making governments lose tax revenue, Gates outlined on Jun 29 at a roundtable for key Southeast Asian press.

His packed Malaysian itinerary included a speech to over 3,000 IT professionals on seamless computing, and an MOU-signing for a Partners in Learning initiative for Malaysia.

At the roundtable, Gates, also Microsoft’s chief software architect, emphasised how damaging open source software can be.

(Excerpt) Read more at asiacomputerweekly.com ...


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; Technical
KEYWORDS: gates; linux; windoes
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lol Gates is starting to sweat, now he is directly putting FUD out rather than using Darl..
1 posted on 07/11/2004 4:39:35 PM PDT by N3WBI3
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To: N3WBI3

BG is just a little off the mark. Not much, but he has missed. The issue is private property.


2 posted on 07/11/2004 4:42:19 PM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and establish property rights)
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To: N3WBI3
Open Source kills jobs says Bill Gates?

Darn, he's absolutely right on this one! Without Windows products, the whole security industry, particularly email anti-virus companies, would collapse overnight...

3 posted on 07/11/2004 4:43:01 PM PDT by chilepepper (The map is not the territory -- Alfred Korzybski)
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To: N3WBI3
Are you a communist?
4 posted on 07/11/2004 4:44:51 PM PDT by eclectic
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To: RightWhale

Please expand on that how does open source kill private property??


5 posted on 07/11/2004 4:45:40 PM PDT by N3WBI3
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To: eclectic

Hope you meant to have a /sacasm after that


6 posted on 07/11/2004 4:46:19 PM PDT by N3WBI3
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how does open source kill private property

Excellent topic for an essay. Report back when the essay is done.

7 posted on 07/11/2004 4:48:13 PM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and establish property rights)
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To: RightWhale

for me? I am not the one who posted that is does kill private property. I think if you assert a position you should back it up..


8 posted on 07/11/2004 4:49:10 PM PDT by N3WBI3
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To: N3WBI3

Yes, for you. Private property is the issue, not jobs. Of course, with open source, everyone works for free except those who somehow get some property rights.


9 posted on 07/11/2004 4:55:24 PM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and establish property rights)
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To: RightWhale

Yes, for you. Private property is the issue, not jobs. Of course, with open source, everyone works for free except those who somehow get some property rights.
As opposed to working for Mr Bill and HE gets the property rights??
Jack


10 posted on 07/11/2004 4:58:57 PM PDT by btcusn (Giving up the right to arms is a mistake a free people get to make only once.)
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To: RightWhale
Excellent topic for an essay. Report back when the essay is done.

Yes, excellent topic. I'll be interested in reading that, when you post it.

You might also post an essay on the opportunities and dangers of somebody trying to claim private property rights someplace off-planet in the near future (near future arbitrarily defined as the next 20 years).

11 posted on 07/11/2004 5:00:20 PM PDT by jimtorr
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To: N3WBI3
putting FUD out

I should say so. The guy should worry a little more about browser and OS security rather than give these pie-in-the-sky interviews about the 'next level' of computing. M$ is only as good as the key people on staff. Maybe some have moved on.

But there is a motive to open source. Reagan would get this. They create a base of software which can be improved. And they improved it for a fee. Plug-ins, add-ins, intermediate interfaces are sold, even as shareware. Look at the listings on sourceforge. Or maybe all that stuff is what really bothers Bill. At least for now, the bulk of that runs on his Windows OS.

12 posted on 07/11/2004 5:01:15 PM PDT by sevry
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Socialist countries have a long record of ripping off U.S. corporations and refusing to pay royalties on intellectual property.

The issue isn't really whether Linux is better than Windows. The issue is that European, African, and Asian socialists are doing what they have always done: stealing intellectual property from the West and refusing to pay for it.


13 posted on 07/11/2004 5:02:08 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: jimtorr

It's in the President's Commission report. As to the essay, yes, I have it, and I have given it in oral presentation. I probably will again when the venue is right.


14 posted on 07/11/2004 5:03:12 PM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and establish property rights)
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Ok so you make an outrageous three word claim and I should right an essay telling you why your wrong? Ill dum it up for you.

Open source does not kill jobs, ask the Samba team employed by IBM or any of redhats employees. Ask Oracle who developed a closed source system to run on an oppen source OS. Having Opensource does not preclude IBM, Oracle, SUN, BEA, VMWare, RaidZone, ... From writing closed source application, or better yet using open source tools to skip part a of the development process for that part B. Raidzone sells an all in wonder file server (SMB, NFS, FTP, HTTPS, iSCSI, Fiber Channel) based on a Linux filesystem. Thats right everyone at RaidZone has a job *because* of opensource.

So you see you can create jobs doing OS development (IBM, RedHat), or using existing OpenSource products to build your product on (RaidZone, VMWare, ....)

15 posted on 07/11/2004 5:04:00 PM PDT by N3WBI3
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To: N3WBI3

Sure, you have to establish private property based on some kind of sovereignty, even just an industry agreement. It's like a contract. It's not the Magna Carta, but Gates and Dangerman had to go along just like King John or lose in the long run. Now go ahead and build your own cottage on that foundation.


16 posted on 07/11/2004 5:12:01 PM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and establish property rights)
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To: Cicero
Opensource does not violate IP, it is not 'ripping off' anyone. Redhat was offered a full OS Kernel and the tools to take advantage of it on a plate for zero development cost. Now they are the leaders in Linux sales worldwide, and your complaining were getting less than were giving?

The issue isn't really whether Linux is better than Windows.

You're right because sometimes its a and sometimes its b

The issue is that European, African, and Asian socialists are doing what they have always done: stealing intellectual property from the West and refusing to pay for it.

Except Linux itself is not US IP, we got it for free from a "European socialist"..

17 posted on 07/11/2004 5:16:32 PM PDT by N3WBI3
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To: RightWhale

You have still not stated how OS kills private property..


18 posted on 07/11/2004 5:18:08 PM PDT by N3WBI3
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To: RightWhale
Except in the government sector, jobs are created by the parallel creation of something of value.

Now in order to maintain its job force, all Microsoft has to do is demonstrate that climbing on board their licensing treadmill provides more value to the users than do the open source alternatives.

And even if they can't, so what? Do you think that companies who abandon closed-source software bury all that cash they save in a big jar under the parking lot? It gets spent in job-creating ways all the same. Or returned to shareholders, which achieves the same end.

There is an increasing tendency by MS to try to to blur the distinctions between open-source and pirated software. That won't wash. If MS could find any of their copyrighted code in a Linux distro, in Open Office, or in Mozilla, their lawyers would have already been in there like sharks on chum.

19 posted on 07/11/2004 5:19:56 PM PDT by Charlotte Corday
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To: N3WBI3

I never said that. Go back and look. The issue is private property. BG says it is jobs.


20 posted on 07/11/2004 5:21:51 PM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and establish property rights)
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