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Some Key Conservatives Uneasy About Bush
The Herald (Miami) ^ | Jul. 11, 2004 | SCOTT LINDLAW

Posted on 07/11/2004 10:48:58 AM PDT by Military Chick

Some Key Conservatives Uneasy About Bush

SCOTT LINDLAW Associated Press

WASHINGTON - When an influential group of conservatives gathers in downtown Washington each week, they often get a political pep talk from a senior Bush administration official or campaign aide. They don't expect a fellow Republican to deliver a blistering critique of President Bush's handling of the Iraq war.

But nearly 150 conservatives listened in silence recently as a veteran of the Nixon, Ford and Reagan administrations ticked off a litany of missteps in Iraq by the Bush White House.

"This war is not going well," said Stefan Halper, a deputy assistant secretary of state under President Reagan.

"It's costing us a lot of money, isolating us from our allies and friends," said Halper, who gave $1,000 to George W. Bush's campaign and more than $83,000 to other GOP causes in 2000. "This is not the cakewalk the neoconservatives predicted. We were not greeted with flowers in the streets."

Conservatives, the backbone of Bush's political base, are increasingly uneasy about the Iraq conflict and the steady drumbeat of violence in postwar Iraq, Halper and some of his fellow Republicans say. The conservatives' anxiety was fueled by the Abu Ghraib prisoner-abuse scandal and has not abated with the transfer of political power to the interim Iraqi government.

Some Republicans fear angry conservatives will stay home in November, undercutting Bush's re-election bid.

"I don't think there's any question that there is growing restiveness in the Republican base about this war," said Halper, the co-author of a new book, "America Alone: The Neoconservatives and the Global Order."

Some Republicans dismiss the rift as little more than an inside-the-Beltway spat among rival factions of the GOP intelligentsia. Indeed, conservatives nationwide are still firmly behind Bush. A Pew Research Center poll last month found that 97 percent of conservative Republicans favored Bush over Kerry.

But anger is simmering among some conservatives.

"I am bitterly disappointed in his actions with this war. It is a total travesty," said Tom Hutchinson, 69, a self-described conservative from Sturgeon, Mo., who posted yard signs and staffed campaign phone banks for the Republican in 2000. Hutchinson said he did not believe the administration's stated rationales for the war, in particular the argument that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction.

Hutchinson, a retired businessman and former college professor, said his unease with Iraq may lead him to do something he has not done since 1956: avoid the voting booth in a presidential election.

Jack Walters, 59, a self-described "classical conservative" from Columbia, Mo., said he hadn't decided which candidate to vote for.

"Having been through Vietnam, I thought no, never again," Walters said. "But here comes the same thing again, and I'm old enough to recognize the lame reasons given for going into Iraq, and they made me ill."

The tension has been building in official Washington, where conservative members of the Senate Armed Services and Foreign Relations committees have pressed the administration for answers on combat operations; disagreed with the Pentagon on troop levels; and expressed frustration with an administration they feel has shown them disdain by withholding information.

Chief political adviser Karl Rove's formula for re-election is primarily to push Bush's conservative base to the polls.

Another administration official involved in Bush's re-election effort has voiced concern that angry conservatives will sit out the election.

But Matthew Dowd, the Bush-Cheney campaign's chief strategist, described the fear of losing conservative support as "just ludicrous."

Bush is "as strong among conservative Republicans as any Republican president has been" - higher than President Reagan's approval among conservatives during his re-election campaign of 1984, Dowd said.

Yet, Halper said his critical review on the administration's performance on Iraq last week was met with expressions of support in the conservatives' weekly meeting, which is closed to journalists.

The marquee speaker sent by the administration was Eric Ciliberti, who spent several weeks in Iraq this year and told the audience of broad progress being made there.

Ciliberti complained to the group that the news media was not reporting the positive developments out of Iraq. Ciliberti did not return several calls late in the past week from a reporter seeking his account.


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To: Bahbah

I as a conservative have an anger simmering but no against the President. When I see a bunch of Hollywood lefties rudely attacking a good man like George W. Bush I get really mad and want to hurt some lefty but sanity takes over and my resolve to vote for W is even stronger. I think we can expect to see more of this in the press and as usual it is a going to be BS. BUSH 2004!!! Because We Must!!!!!


101 posted on 07/11/2004 1:16:53 PM PDT by Bombard
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To: WOSG

Thanks for the analysis...glad you posted it.


102 posted on 07/11/2004 1:17:16 PM PDT by Petronski (Dual Johns? Twice the Crap)
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To: Military Chick

No.


103 posted on 07/11/2004 1:19:27 PM PDT by rwfromkansas ("Am I not destroying my enemies when I make friends of them?" -- Abraham Lincoln)
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To: NittanyLion; FairOpinion

I knew she'd see it.




She? ROTFL!
And has "she" seen it?
You don't KNOW any such thing.
Slamming others behind their backs is your MO,
and you're notorious for it.


104 posted on 07/11/2004 1:19:36 PM PDT by onyx (Kerry/Edwards: It's the hair, stupid.)
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To: onyx; FairOpinion
Feel free to point out some instances of me "slamming others behind their back".

Incidentally, at least I (unlike you) don't run to another forum to attack others.

FO: if I mistook your gender for female when you're in fact male, my apologies.

105 posted on 07/11/2004 1:21:46 PM PDT by NittanyLion
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To: NittanyLion

Be careful.
That other forum would be?


106 posted on 07/11/2004 1:22:43 PM PDT by onyx (Kerry/Edwards: It's the hair, stupid.)
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To: Military Chick

Are you sure this guy Halper isn't on John/john payroll? If not he ought to apply since he is trying to sel the dimocrat line.


107 posted on 07/11/2004 1:25:06 PM PDT by hgro
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To: onyx
You don't remember calling a well-known FR poster an "obtuse twit" on Liberty Post?

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume someone else is using your moniker at that site. Is that the case?

108 posted on 07/11/2004 1:25:57 PM PDT by NittanyLion
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To: NittanyLion

You stalking me?
Interesting. NOT surprising.
Be careful.


109 posted on 07/11/2004 1:27:53 PM PDT by onyx (Kerry/Edwards: It's the hair, stupid.)
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To: onyx
You stalking me? Interesting. NOT surprising. Be careful.

You're the one who singled me out on this thread. However, you craven attack on LP prompted me to make the first comment there in over a year. It stuck out in my mind as an absolutely pathetic display of cowardly behavior.

Be careful yourself.

110 posted on 07/11/2004 1:29:48 PM PDT by NittanyLion
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To: The Wizard
Re: "If the conservatives have any brains they'll RUN to vote for GWB abd the GOP and give GWB the senate he needs to BE CONSERVATIVE"

Your logic falls apart for the poor people in Pennsylvania. Toomey would have made a great Senator, but Bush backed Spector. Lord have mercy what was he thinking? Spector is the very definition of RINO. He is a Trojan horse. I hope Spector looses. At least in six years there is a chance the GOP can win back the seat with a real Republican. We will never see an improvement in the Supreme Court if Spector has any power.

Spector sounds like a character name in a Bond film. His votes reflect that image as well.
111 posted on 07/11/2004 1:29:54 PM PDT by Mark in the Old South
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To: Military Chick
Some Republicans fear angry conservatives will stay home in November, undercutting Bush's re-election bid.

If true, it won't be for the reasons touted by this out-of-touch inside-the-beltway moron.

112 posted on 07/11/2004 1:33:14 PM PDT by Penner
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To: NittanyLion; FairOpinion

I spotted your notorious behavior on this thread.
I did not single you out.
You're notorious for smarmy "attacks."
All you had to do, (and what you should
have done) was to ping Fair Opinion.

Mention another poster's name, and you ping
that poster, be it praise or not. It's
common courtesy. Learn some.


113 posted on 07/11/2004 1:36:03 PM PDT by onyx (Kerry/Edwards: It's the hair, stupid.)
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To: onyx; FairOpinion
Mention another poster's name, and you ping that poster, be it praise or not.

In retrospect, you're right.

FO: I should've cc'd you and I didn't. I was wrong, and it won't happen again.

onyx: feel free to substantiate your ill-considered claim that this is a common tactic of mine, or to show where I've stalked you.

114 posted on 07/11/2004 1:38:27 PM PDT by NittanyLion
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To: Torie
Re: "Any so called "conservative" that changes their vote away from Bush because of irritation over a post at FR"

Who are you suggesting is doing this? Not I. I hope Bush beats Kerry like a redheaded stepchild. That being said I have been harboring doubts about the GOP (including Bush) commitment to issues such as abortion, illegal immigration, school vouchers etc. I have been harboring those doubts for years now. I had hoped I could get thoughtful views expressed on this thread, just like I had hoped GOP control of the White House and Congress would give results in these areas. I hope in vain?

So far this thread has been populated with chest thumpers yelling "BUSH GOOD KERRY BAD"

Maybe if people stopped the knuckle dragging they could type out a sensible post. Some here have made as much sense as the Demoncratic Underground. This is FREE REPUBLIC for goodness sake, shape up.
115 posted on 07/11/2004 1:42:58 PM PDT by Mark in the Old South
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To: NittanyLion; FairOpinion

Don't have the time or the inclination.
Your apology to Fair Opinion will suffice.
Good afternoon.


116 posted on 07/11/2004 1:44:15 PM PDT by onyx (Kerry/Edwards: It's the hair, stupid.)
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To: Military Chick
"Voices that perhaps need to be heard?"

People who "listen to voices" are usually locked away for life

117 posted on 07/11/2004 1:47:07 PM PDT by Darlin' ("I will not forget this wound to my country." President George W Bush, 20 Sept 2001)
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To: NittanyLion

"FO: if I mistook your gender for female when you're in fact male, my apologies."

I made a point to NOT reveal whether I am male of female, precisely so people comment on the content of my posts, not what or who they think I am.


118 posted on 07/11/2004 1:53:45 PM PDT by FairOpinion (If you are not voting for Bush, you are voting for the terrorists.)
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To: Mark in the Old South
Let me help you with some of this.

I don't have a problem with how anybody votes. I just get annoyed with the claim of conservative purity thingie. It's just so bogus and self centered, and so detached with how a president has to fashion a coalition to win, and typically based with either 1) cherry picking issues, or 2) distorting the Bush position, like was done here on the world court matter (Iraq has not signed on to the World Court, so it has no jurisdiction over US troops in Iraq, and while US troops are there, it certainly will not sign on, and by the way Bush signed the US out), or both.

I have blasted Bush on several issues over time, when I considered them ill advised and not good for this nation. I posted in a conversation with Scenic Sounds in response to a most excellent and well researched and documented post of his, that I was disturbed about the juxtoposition of Bush expressing doubts to Tenet about the case for WMD's, while exuding cetainly about their existence in public at about the same time. On other issues, I have supported Bush. No problem, and nobody seems to mind.

Why might that be do you think?

119 posted on 07/11/2004 1:55:42 PM PDT by Torie
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To: deport

LOL. I do so hope these so called "conservatives" are advising the Kerry/Edwards campaign cause if they are I see a Bush-Cheney landslide in the making.


120 posted on 07/11/2004 1:57:29 PM PDT by Darlin' ("I will not forget this wound to my country." President George W Bush, 20 Sept 2001)
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