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To: xzins
"My reason: they haven't used them."

Using that logic, no one else has them either, other than the US.

I have no doubt they would have been used if they have them. The attack on Iraq would have been the ideal provocation and it didn't produce a nuke attack. This is especially true, if, as we are told that have about 20 or more of these things."

You're possibly misunderstanding the problem. They are not fighting a defensive war. The only "provocation" that they require is our (and Israel's) existence. Projecting a secular reaction to a religious problem won't work. You're trying to put yourself in their shoes, and that's appropriate as far as it goes, but you also need to put yourself into their minds.

"Surely one of them would have been blown to send a message."

What would that message be? Why would they show their hand, given their announced goals? They are sending plenty of messages. They posture with words. Other than that, they act. These guys are highly trained, highy motivated, and highly educated. They have a plan for long term victory. There will be no truce or compromise. Islam demands that we submit or die. That's at the very core of their religion, and hence at the very core of our problem.

I'm going to paraphrase this again, becuse I don't remember the actual words that are hammered into them in their training:

"I will be patient until patience is tired of being patient."
2,253 posted on 07/14/2004 7:56:04 PM PDT by HipShot (All of our ammunition should be dipped in pig fat)
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To: HipShot

I agree with you 100%.

Just because they have not used WMD against us certainly does not mean they will not. It will be a final resort type of operation, one aimed at destroying us for good. It actually makes sense that they have not hit us yet. They hit us on 9/11 and nearly destroyed our economy, then they waited. They continue to wait until the time is right, the time must be right for them to accomplish their larger goal. Every sinlge piece of what is likely a massive puzzle must come together for them to attain what they want. It takes a long time to plan such an intricate operation.

The exact Quranic verse is: I will be patient until patience wears out from patience.

AQ fighters in Afghanistan training camps chanted it while prepping for, as Saddam called it, "The Mother of All Battles."

Most westerners simply cannot fathom the level of patience inculcated by AQ leadership into their followers.


2,256 posted on 07/14/2004 8:02:51 PM PDT by nwctwx
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To: HipShot
Using that logic, no one else has them either, other than the US.

We're talking about suicidal, islamofascism as exemplified by musab al zarqawi.

They would have used them if they had them.

2,259 posted on 07/14/2004 8:13:13 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army and Supporting Bush/Cheney 2004!)
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To: HipShot

Quite so.

They must know that lighting one off would incur incredibly more wrath than the Iraq war.

They want to insure enough attacks from enough directions with enough support that the USA will be terminally crippled.

All in a relatively short time.


2,262 posted on 07/14/2004 8:26:43 PM PDT by Quix (PRAYER WARRIORS, DO YOUR STUFF! LIVES, SOULS AND NATIONS DEPEND ON IT)
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