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Why the French Lock Up Immigrants
The Tampa Tribune ^ | July 10, 2004 | Theodore Dalrymple

Posted on 07/08/2004 4:35:20 PM PDT by quidnunc

The high proportion of Muslim prisoners in France reflects a deeply divided society.

Comparison is one of the ways by which we learn about the world; and yet how rarely do we make the kind of comparisons that would put our problems in a wider perspective. We prefer to live in a nationally solipsistic world, which is self-sufficient and flatters us into believing that it is unique: uniquely good or uniquely bad, as the case may be. Uniqueness is the quality that we value above all others, for it reassures us that we have a character or personality of our own.

Most people who write about the state of British prisons, usually with generous indignation, forget that our nearest neighbour is France, a country with a similar population (I speak only of its size) and of comparable wealth. Often, for example, the fact that we have more prisoners than any other western European country is cited as a symptom of the excessive and brutal punitiveness of our law.

While it is true that France has fewer prisoners than Britain, it is not by orders of magnitude: approximately 60,000 against approximately 70,000. When one considers that the number of recorded crimes in France is about 80 per cent of that in Britain, then — assuming the official figures of either country have any connection with reality, which is far from certain — it follows that France actually has a higher prison population relative to the crimes committed than Britain does. Whether you consider this is a good thing or a bad thing depends, I suppose, on whether you consider that imprisonment is a cause of or a response to criminality. What is clear, though, is that France and Britain are not so very different, at least in this respect, as is commonly supposed.

What of the quality of French prisons? Are British prisons uniquely squalid, overcrowded, violent, and so forth?

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(Excerpt) Read more at spectator.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Extended News; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: anthonydaniels; dalrymple; france; theodoredalrymple

1 posted on 07/08/2004 4:35:21 PM PDT by quidnunc
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To: quidnunc
What these prisoners need, apart from the passage of time that in itself cools the ardour of criminality, is not what they actually get in prison — antidepressants and tranquillisers by the bucketful — but a Socratic dialogue that will help them to overcome their resentment. If the principal cause of crime is the decision to commit it, then the removal of a justifying sense of grievance is of great importance. In addition, prisoners, and those who will soon become prisoners, need real opportunity, not chimerical equal opportunity, which is to say government of bureaucrats, by bureaucrats, for bureaucrats.

Interesting conclusion.

2 posted on 07/08/2004 4:55:29 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (crime would drop like a sprung trapdoor if we brought back good old-fashioned hangings)
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To: quidnunc
France is a decadent worthless society. Who Cares!
3 posted on 07/08/2004 4:56:08 PM PDT by crusty codger (Arrogance often covers a minimum of intelligence)
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To: Vigilanteman

"If the principal cause of crime is the decision to commit it, then the removal of a justifying sense of grievance is of great importance."

I think the mentality of the person who drew the conclusion must be more interesting. Why does he think he can get away with stating a premise this way? The removal of that "justifying sense of grievance" can be done with a horse whip, or with 30 years hard time. This sense of grievance is important only to the bedwetters who think this way. I say, if he's hanged, he won't feel any more grievances, so if it's so important to remove it, hang him and be done with it!


4 posted on 07/08/2004 5:59:09 PM PDT by Cincinnatus.45-70 (Accuracy counts, but caliber is important, too.)
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To: Cincinnatus.45-70
That's not how I interpret the statement. I think the author is taking a back-handed slap at the leftists who try to justify criminal behavior based on past grievances of societal inequities such as poverty, racism, yada, yada, yada.

Compare the attitude of a Booker T. Washington, who was actually born into slavery, and spent his life urging his people to get an education with that of a Jesse Jackson, who hasn't done an honest day's work in 40 years, and spends his life urging his people to milk the political system instead.

5 posted on 07/08/2004 6:14:33 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (crime would drop like a sprung trapdoor if we brought back good old-fashioned hangings)
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