Posted on 07/08/2004 7:10:31 AM PDT by doug from upland
Edited on 07/08/2004 2:03:56 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
Jayna Davis, author of THE THIRD TERRORIST, is scheduled today for the Larry Elder show, guest hosted by Doug McIntyre. The time is 3pm Pacific. Then at 6pm Pacific, she will be on this thread to answer questions.
Jayna's work in exposing the Iraqi connection in the OKC bombing has been endorsed by James Woolsey, Dave Schippers, and Frank Gaffney. No, folks, McVeigh and Nichols did not act alone.
If you haven't read the book, please look over the info on the website, particularly the interview done on the Glen Beck show. You can listen to the Larry Elder show online by going to the KABC WEBSITE.
Let's try to make it easy for Jayna. Because I anticipate a busy thread with lots of comments, please use red font to ask questions.
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QUESTION: Jayna, why did Tim McVeigh not rat out his Iraqi pals?
Did you know that a hotel maintenance man saw McVeigh crossing the motel parking lot with Al-Hussaini's Arab co-worker as the pair approached a large Ryder truck that reeked of diesel shortly before 8am on April 19?
Did you know that a hotel manager witnessed several Middle Eastern men drive off the property an hour before the bombing in a caravan of vehicles which included a Ryder truck?
Did you know that a desk clerk testified that she was on duty when Tim McVeigh and Al-Hussaini's former Iraqi army buddy registered for a room on the evening of April 18, 1995?
I heard you and David Shippers years ago on Jim Quinn's radio show. I was in shock with what you two were saying. Where's David now? He's one of the few democrats I trust. Good luck with your book and tonight.
Did you know that there are credible witnesses who observed and have identified Hussain Al-Hussaini as the mysterious jogger running at a breathless pace near the federal complex before sunrise the morning of the building. The jogger was timing himself, had on a backback, and appeared to be making a dry run for something.
Thanks for the ping, DFU.
I've said this whole episode stunk from day one, and it still stinks. Between Islamic terrorists, the McVeigh and Nichols nutcases and the Klintoon gov't purposely burying as much of it as the could, as they also did with TWA 800, I've gotten disillusioned anything will ever be done to right the wrongs.
I've bookmarked the thread, her website, but am headed out to Maryland for on-site landscape customer meetings. I'll try to join in later in the evening. I guess it'll start at 9pm EST, here in Penna.
Did you know that an OKC attorney identified one of Al-Hussaini's Iraqi associates in the driver's seat of a pale yellow sedan as it sped away from the vicinity of the Murrach Building minutes before 9:02 am?
archive for later reading
I'm out of pocket for the next couple of hours, but will be back with questions for Jayna
When you get a chance, listen to the Glen Beck interview on her website.
I don't know who that was M. Peach. Sorry.
Al-Hussaini worked at Logan Airport on 9/11.
Posted: July 25, 2002
1:00 a.m. Eastern
By Paul Sperry
© 2002 WorldNetDaily.com
WASHINGTON The Clinton administration "de-emphasized" fighting Arab international terrorism to focus on domestic terrorism namely, white "right-wing" militia groups which led to the FBI ignoring Arab nationals flocking to U.S. flight schools, veteran FBI agents told WorldNetDaily.
They say the shift was so dramatic at the FBI that dozens of boxes of evidence that agents gathered in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing case were never analyzed until it was too late. The evidence held valuable clues to al-Qaida's network and operations, they say.
Some 40 boxes of material left over from the WTC investigation, which lasted through the late '90s, "were never gone through," said one Washington-based agent familiar with the probe. Another seven to eight boxes of evidence from the Manila, Philippines, side of the investigation also were never looked at, he added.
"It was data tailor-made for analysis," the agent said.
The alleged mastermind of the Sept. 11 attacks, Khalid Shaikh Mohammed now one of the FBI's most-wanted terrorists, with a U.S. bounty as high as Osama bin Laden's is accused of working with Ramzi Yousef in the first bombing of the WTC, which left six dead and more than 1,000 injured. Yousef was convicted in 1998.
While living in Manila in 1995, Mohammed and Yousef, his nephew, were also accused of plotting to blow up several trans-Pacific airliners heading for the U.S. Yousef, moreover, is believed to have planned to crash a plane into CIA headquarters.
Meanwhile, despite evidence of an increased threat to U.S. security from such Islamic terrorist groups, former FBI Director Louis Freeh and his former deputy, Robert "Bear" Bryant, were shifting the bureau's counter-terrorism efforts to combatting threats from anti-government militia groups, violent white supremacists, anti-abortion groups and other "right-wing extremists."
"When I left in 1998, domestic terrorism was the No. 1 priority," said retired FBI agent Ivian C. Smith, former head of the analysis, budget and training section of the bureau's National Security Division.
"And as far as I know, it was still a higher priority than foreign terrorism on Sept. 11 (2001)," he said in an exclusive WorldNetDaily interview.
Other agents, speaking on condition of anonymity, say pressure to change priorities came from the White House.
After the bombing of the Oklahoma City federal building, President Clinton made great political hay of the tragedy by drawing parallels between the anti-government extremists behind the plot and the anti-big-government Republican revolution that had swept Congress.
Also, Bryant moved FBI counterterrorism analysts over to tracking right-wing groups. He eventually grouped all analysts together at headquarters, putting them under operations staff in what he called the Investigative Support Division, whereupon agents say analysts were constantly being diverted to areas other than their specialty, such as helping in criminal prosecutions.
Around the same time, he moved the bureau's counterterrorism programs under its National Security Division, and "de-emphasized" the bureau's counterintelligence program, agents say.
They say intelligence-gathering on foreign threats suffered as a result.
Veteran FBI agents say intelligence is the best weapon against terrorism something Bryant didn't get.
"Bear Bryant had very little appreciation for the whole thing," said one agent.
Attempts to reach Bryant for comment were unsuccessful.
He also made the mistake of subordinating terrorism analysts to operations staff, agents say, because the analysts ended up just telling their bosses what they wanted to hear, rather than giving them fresh analysis.
"Operations agents working on terrorism leads need predictive, forward-looking analysis, but they weren't getting that kind of raw data from analysts," Smith said.
"Operations agents were writing the analysts' performance evaluations," he continued, "so the analysts weren't free to conduct truly independent analysis."
As a result, "counterterrorism analysts were used more as clerks," said another agent.
This was the counterterrorism system in place Sept. 11.
About three weeks after Sept. 11, FBI Director Robert Mueller disbanded Bryant's Investigative Support Division.
However, the bureau's new chief of counterintelligence and counterterrorism operations, Dale Watson, was a protege of Bryant.
"He was one of Bear Bryant's favorites," an agent said.
As one of Mueller's executive assistant directors, Watson who agents complain has no real experience outside headquarters (he never headed a field office nor was an inspector) is now one of the top four officials in the FBI.
The FBI did not return calls for this story.
But former Clinton officials defend the FBI's counterterrorism shift by pointing to the alarming rise in domestic terrorism cases in the '90s from Waco to Oklahoma City to the Atlanta Olympics bombing. They also cite the Unabomber case.
Difference is, agents point out, those home-grown attacks came from different sources, all unconnected, while the foreign threats all came from one source radical Islam, and mainly al-Qaida.
Indeed, the Clinton administration emphasized tracking home-grown terrorism, despite a clear pattern of al-Qaida terrorism against U.S. and U.S. assets overseas from the WTC bombing to the U.S. embassy bombings in Africa (1998) to the USS Cole bombing (2000). There were also two attacks on U.S. military installations in Saudi Arabia in 1995 and 1996. And while the domestic terrorism for the most part stopped, the foreign terrorism didn't, culminating in another attack on the WTC and also on the Pentagon.
Agents told WorldNetDaily that the late John O'Neill, the FBI's lead investigator in the Cole case, was nearly fired by Deputy FBI Director Thomas Pickard for pressing Yemeni officials too hard to cooperate. Pickard, who initially headed the Sept. 11 probe before suddenly retiring just two months later, was earlier this year quoted as saying he was uneasy with agents questioning Muslims in America after the attacks.
"I don't want to see them feeling intimidated by us," he told the Washington Post. "Nobody feels good when an FBI agent knocks on the door."
The Clinton-era emphasis on "right-wing" terrorism wasn't limited to the FBI. Other federal law enforcement branches also focused on the domestic threat from militia groups over the foreign threat from Islamic groups.
The head of security at the Commerce Department, for one, sanitized a Y2K counterterrorism report distributed to the Census Bureau by removing Islamic threats. Only threats from white "right-wing" groups were included in the report, Commerce security officials told WorldNetDaily.
I just got a new shipment of power metal that I'm about to pop in ... somebody please ping me when the show starts! :)
Bumping. We're getting close to show time.
I'm here...changed my appointment.
ping.
Thanks for finding that link. He definitely had them.
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