Actually, now that Fear'n'hate 911 is fading, I think Moore's star is falling. I think he's been shown to be so odious personally, and too many people have seen his 'film' for the falsehood it is, that he's fading more than he may realize....
Posted on 07/04/2004 2:15:18 PM PDT by wagglebee
Well, the health care system HAS failed Moore... just look at the guy.
Profess it as what it is, the best d@mn health care available, I presume?
Actually, now that Fear'n'hate 911 is fading, I think Moore's star is falling. I think he's been shown to be so odious personally, and too many people have seen his 'film' for the falsehood it is, that he's fading more than he may realize....
Oh yeah, as if my hospital and thousands of others across the country don't ALREADY take care of the uninsured/non-paying/Medicaid patients as part of their mission.
Focus on the a$$hole trial lawyers, you dimwit.
I would like one of these morons to give me one example (just one, I don't need any real compelling evidence) of a person in this country who has died or been permanantly disabled as the result of being turned away by a hospital. Socialized medicine doesn't work anywhere. What is their proposal, to pay doctors $100K a year or so? The result will be a huge shortage of doctors and a drop in services. Why do they think so many upper-middle class and wealthy Canadians buy American health insurance and get treated here. What will happen with socialized medicine in the US is a exodus of physicians to places like Mexico and the Caribbean who set-up private facilities, operate on an all-cash basis (the prices will be lower, but the patients will not have the same rights to sue). IMHO
All I did during my medical school education and residency is treat the indigent; this is one of the many functions of a teaching hospital. Something tells me Lumpy won't be showing this.
The only reason this idiot makes money is because of the sheepheaded socialists that are stupid enough to listen to him.
My father-in-law is a physician in Virginia. Over 20 years ago he started a "skid row" clinic. Since then he has worked there about 20 hours a month and has donated several hundred thousand dollars for its upkeep (and he has convinced a lot of other doctors to do the same). The bottom line is that almost all people in this country receive adequate medical care. Hospitals do not turn away the injured, terminal, etc. What is it that Moore thinks hospitals should do differently?
If such a thing ever happened it would be trumpetted by every liberal news outlet in the country. You'd never hear the end of it. I remember thinking that when I saw the movie "John Q", wherein a child was denied a life-saving transplant because he didn't have adequate insurance. Sorry, doesn't really happen.
Exactly, what the movie "John Q" failed to point out is that almost nobody in this country has enough insurance coverage for things like heart transplants, etc. The hospitals and doctors almost always take reduced fees for these procedures. As far as I know, organ transplants are performed based upon the recipient's compatability and need -- money is not even a consideration.
Whew! The depths to which the Mooreon will sink are surpassed only by the depths of his appetite.
Watch out Sen. PIG here comes Moore.
What about all of the starving children in third-world countries who could live for a year on the amount of junk food larda$$ consumes in a day?
Exactly; we turn away no one. Compare that to the countries with "national health care;" I met so many physicians places like Canada, Ireland, and the U.K who told me horror stories of people waiting months and months for surgeries we do the same day.
I expect there will be plenty of particular facets of health care that are subject to attack.
Yes, in individual cases, it can be horribly expensive. And it is not always attuned to the personal needs of a specific person. It is not available everywhere, because like everything else that is a commodity, health care tends to follow economic imperatives. For instance, where people are widely dispersed, the nearest facility may be miles away. Experience and training are not evenly distributed, but tend to concentrate in and around centers which already have a seeming excess of medical talent. Medical professionals leave their practice of medicine for numerous reasons, but mostly because of overwhelming work loads (no one else will come into their area to take up part of the burden) and underwhelming cash flow to their practice. The cash flow assists the professional in constantly upgrading both training and means of delivering health services, be it new techniques, medicines, procedures or screening devices. But most of all, people will not take care of themselves. The rules by which most people may enjoy a far greater state of good health are easily available to all who will take responsibility for learning and following them (don't smoke, limit alcohol intake, eat right, exercise, avoid unnecessary risks, drink plenty of water, and get enough sleep).
Some of these rules probably apply to Michael Moore, American Hatriot. If he put them into practice, he may considerably improve his own health.
I spent a few days in Canada on business a couple of years ago. From what I can tell, people go to the doctor for every malady that comes along (cuts, bruises, poison ivy, crap like that), and as a result people who actually need care have to wait for hours. As far as necessary surgeries go, forget it. I spoke to a guy who's father needed bypass surgery and was told the wait was at least three months (basically a death sentences), so he took out a mortgage on his home to come to the US and pay for the surgery. The left thinks that socialized medicine will help the poor, and it makes things worse. As far as the wealthy go (and by that I mean just about everyone who has the means to do so), in every nation with socialized medicine, they go to private facilities and pay cash.
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