Posted on 07/04/2004 7:15:42 AM PDT by jerrydavenport
What is most dangerous is that, it is coupling these nukes with a mobile fleet of missiles.
Pakistan seems to be trading suicide bombers for nukes.
it has made a defiant announcement to this effect ,that it would do so in 2 months with the test of a new missile.
Pakistan has also added two nuclear reactors to its bomb making potential.
We need to put north korea, iraq, and iran on the back burner to prevent this paki nightmare from materializing.
timely action now would save us a nuclear war in the future.
You have to take a look at Pakistan's history to see just how dangerous and treacherous it is.
i- In the past, under the guise of the war against the soviets in afghanistan, Pakistan assembled the largest terror effort ever, alqaeda. For the next 2 decades Pakistan played hell into every non islamist nation on earth. Al qaeda ravaged america, europe, chechenya, india, and the phillipines. It also tried to have the PLO replaced with hamas and the algerian and egyptian govts toppled with islamists.
What is ironic is that Pakistan used american money to wage war against america. It also used american money to develop it's nukes and then generously gave that technology to every america hating country on earth- iran, libya and north korea.
ii- today, under the guise of the war on terror, Pakistan is busy assembling the largest fleet of nukes in the hands
of terror sponsors. Yes the creators of al qaeda and the taliban are replacing a few dead terrorists with a fleet of nukes.
It will be a new dimension of terrorism, as the creators of terror move towards nuclear armed mobile missiles.
iii- Even though Pakistan was our ally in the war on terror, it was sending the taliban to attack US troops in afghanistan and reached a deal with iran to unleash al qaeda against US troops in iraq to prevent the americans from invading Pakistan or iran. It was also busy sending al qaeda affiliates into india and chechenya.
Iv- Pakistan our ally, was not only wreaking hell into us with terror, it was also busy assembling the largest coalition of islamic nukes against american interests by arming iran, libya and north korea with nukes.
v- For a year into the war on terror, pakistan denied the existence of al qaeda on its soil. Then each time we pressured them, they'd come up with al qaeda arrests in hours. YOu cannot find a person that quick, unless you are sheltering him through your proxies like the jamiait islami.
v- When pakistan's nuclear proliferation efforts hit the fan, it begged india for talks and launched a fake war against al qaeda elements to limit the fallout from their nuclear scandal. Pakistan had reached a similar agreement with india in 1971 when it was faced with disintegration. Once it weathered out the crisis, it simply trashed that agreement.
vi- today Pakistan's war on terror consists of bombing emptied out taliban caves and then granting amnesty to all pakistani taliban and al qaeda fighters. it is also giving up a few odd al qaeda leaders who have been compromised in
a bid to replace them with a new leadership and a fleet of nuclear missiles.
vii- Pakistan is also very good at creating diversions.
a- When pakistan's nuclear proliferation hit the fan, it tried to distract the international media with an attempt on musharraf's life. it worked, Pakistan's proliferation efforts soon fizzled into the background.
b- today, when it's busy arming its missiles wit nukes, it again tried to distract the west from these efforts by ordering al qaeda to abduct two pakistanis in iraq. When one pakistani was released, we all said look Pakistan had done this just to distract people from its missile efforts, so it hurriedly butchered the other one.
viii-we know how irresponsible Pakistan has been with terror, playing hell into 10's of nations. These nations were thousands of miles from its borders, nations that were no threat to Pakistan.
ix- We also know how irresponsible Pakistan has been with nuclear proliferation, spreading nukes to every nation that was hostile to america.
x- The thrust of its nuclear and terror efforts shows that Pakistan isn't concerned about it's own security, that it is looking for a global role
xi- if you take a closer look at Pakistani sponsored terror and the nations it gave its nuclear technology to, you'd see that that the principal target of both its proliferation and terror efforts has been the USA.
xii- We have also seen how this country has waged war against us, when it was infact our ally. What is ironic is that it waged that war against us with our money.
xiii- Pakistan has ravaged the world with terror and nuclear proliferation for two decades.
xiv- For the war on terror to be decisive, it has to take pakistan out, take out it's wmd facilities, it's intelligence, military and infrastructure.
xv- It then needs to split this country into small little states divided along linguistic, ethnic and sectarian lines to rob them of the wealth and means to pursue WMD's or terror or ever threaten the west again.
xvi- the same measures then need to be repeated with iran and maybe saudi arabia.
Allowing this Islamist nightmare of a nation to possess nukes could very well turn out to be the worst mistake we've ever made.
Well... lets thank Clinton for this one too. Pakistan has the perfect excuse to proceed. Missle threats from Communist China!
Wait till Musharraf is overthrown and the mullahs rule Pakistan, then we will really be in a nightmare!
-The India-Pakistani Conflict... some background information- --
To realize how deep the islamic sentiment runs in the pakistani society and how deeply embedded the islamists are within Pakistan's political fabric, govt and military, you need to take a look at where the majority of the pakistani vote goes and the involvement of the paki govt in islamic terror and proliferation efforts.
Pakistan's involvement in terror and islamic nuclear proliferation stems from the deeply islamic sentiment of its population.
Islamic parties in Pakistan take about 60-70 of the total vote with the major chunk going to muslim league.
The Muslim league, jamiati islami, the taliban and al qaeda are all the creation of the Pakistani intelligence and all crafted from the same set of islamists.
These different parties might differ in their level of self sacrifice and adherence to islamic tenets, but even the moderate ones will support jihad if someone else is willing to fight for them.
Pakistan's secular party, the PPP is still islamic in character. You cannot get any votes in Pakistan, if you claim to be secular.
today the Pakitani premier is from the muslim league, while two of its four provinces are run by al qaeda allies.
it is a nation with an extremely volatile population, it is home to al qaeda, taliban, indian, chechen, phillipino, algerian, saudi and egyptian militant groups.
It is a nation that has been behind most of the terror that you find in the world today.
It is also the nation behind all of the recent nuclear proliferation.
it is a nation that has a history of treachery of using american money to sponsor terror against america itself.
It is a nation that is now coupling its nuclear might with a fleet of mobile nuclear missiles.
It is a nation that needs to be stopped before it gets its fleet of mobile nuclear missiles.
We need to put everything else on hold to address the threat of islamic nuclear capable missiles.
It is possible that to distract us from islamic missiles, Pakistan is going to ravage the world with terror to keep western media's eyes off its nuclear and missile program, just as it previously tried to distract us from its proliferation efforts and complicity in terror in the past.
Pakistan is the best of friends with china.
Most of its missile and nuclear technology comes from china.
We need to be friends with china to put a stop to this.
Pakistan's claim that it needs the missiles for self defense is pure bull.
If pakistan's concern's really are about it's own security and if it wasn't about global domination, Pakistan wouldnt have been supporting terror in as far away places as america, chechenya, phillipines, algeria, egypt or the hamas.
how do these far away regions relate to pakistan's security concerns?. They do support pakistani plans for global domination though.
pakistan also wouldnt have been arming every country hostile to america with nukes, unless it's nuclear program was designed against the US and israel.
how do pakistani nuclear transfers to iran, libya and north korea guarantee pakistani security
As far as pakistan conflict with india, is concerned.
it's about indian territory being forcibly seized by pakistan jihadis, the very ancestors of modern day taliban.
pakistan has waged a 5 decade terror effort to wrestle that area from india, just because it has an islamic population. this takes us to the root of Pakistan's belief in pan islamic global dominance.
Kashmir legally acceded to india under a treaty brokered by the british between india and pakistan.Later on the pakistanis sent jihadis, the very ancestors of the taliban to take that territory by force
And it is far from alone in this. We have a long history of attempting to appease our enemies -- throwing U.S. taxpayer dollars at them. This strategy may very well work for the short term, but eventually it comes back to bite us in the ass.
take a look at this guys.
In addition to pakistan, we need to address the islamic threat originating from iran and saudi arabia as well.
We need to crush al qaeda by shutting down the religious schools that feed it with recruits, the religious parties that provide logistics to it, islamists in govt and western intelligence who provide direction to it and the govts who sponsor it.
But we need to use the war on terror and the political will it has given us to address ibroader issues as well. issues like islamic WMD's and shape the islamic world by breaking each large islamic nation into numerous small ones, so that they can never threaten the west ever again.
Pakistan, a country about the size of Texas and Louisiana, has a population of 160 million people, or about 575 per square mile. That is a huge data base for terrorist.
Will never happen. After all, Pakistan is our (scoff scoff) 'ally.'
We will go after Iran and N.Korea long before we go after Pakistan. And I am not saying Tehran and Pyongyang are benevolent puppies who only want a milkbone. No, they are cesspools. No question about that. The thing is that Pakistan is by far a greater threat than Iran and N.Korea. In fact Pakistan should be at the head of our 'Axis of Evil' list since it is more deserving than any of the other nations ....probably more so than the rest combined even. From the Pakistani ISI supporting terror by providing them with training, logistics and a safe haven; to being the number one source of Jihadis through the myriad madarasas that litter Pakistan; to their possession of nuclear weapons coupled by the perpetual threat of radical elements taking over (Mushy, for all his scheming and what-not, is actually one of the few buffers that exist in Pakistan. If he was to 'go' who knows who would take over?)
Pakistan is literally a greater threat than our Axis of Evil countries put together. Infact if you look at it, the nations that should be at the top of the Axis of Evil should be Pakistan, Saudi Arabia (for their prolific terrorist funding), and China (we will face a chinese threat in the future ...be it military or economic). But none of them are listed.
Pakistan seems to be trading suicide bombers for nukes.
Chapter and verse please.
Well islamic states know they can no longer get away with terrror
So guess what?. both iran and pakistan the greatest terror sponsors of all times are going for nukes.
the plan looks pretty simple. They want to hold us back with the threat of nukes, while they go on rampage with terror
Pakistan wouldn't have been giving nukes to every enemy of america, if it was just concerned about its own security.
How would iranian, libyan or north korean nukes guarantee paki security. The end goal seems to have been islamic global domination.
the plan was to install islamic govts in chechenya, algeria, egypt, palestine, turkey, phillipines etc and bolster that up with a ring of islamic WMD states like iran, pakistan and libya.
It is far from addressing it's security concern, it' a game plan for global domination
Pakistan seems to be trading suicide bombers for nukes.
Chapter and verse please.
We need to take islamic WMD states out.
we then need to take the three main sponsors of terror Iran, Pakistan and saudi arabia out
We could take them out in a military campaign that resembles the first gulf war. Take them out with air power and then sanction them for a few decades to make sure they never rebuild their might or terror infrastructure.
It would be preferable to break up all large islamic countries into small states emphasizing linguistic and ethnic differences. this would rob them of the infrastructure to pursue WMD's, the numbers to field huge armies or the money to sponsor terror.
Accentuating ethnicities and language would also suppress islamic feelings.
the break up of yugoslavia should serve as our blueprint for the region
we could also channelize islamic hate towards other muslims by inequitably distributing the land amongst them to further accentuate the rivalry stemming from linguistic and ethnic differences.
the iran-iraq war should serve as our example over here.
We need to force other islamic countries to shut down religious schools, outlaw islamic parties, and weed islamists out of govt
we then need to hand regional security over to non muslims countries, who would act as our policemen for a particular region.
We could tool india to take Pakistan out, before nuke capable paki missiles materialize.
we could recruit russia against iran. The phillipines to contain indonesia and malaysia
we could bring up greece, serbia, bulgaria etc to contain turkey, since even turkey has an islamic govt today.
and we could recruit the latin american nations, other christian nations, italy, spain and russia to contribute towards a joint anti terror military force.
Finally we need to jettison the islamists from western intelligence and create a brand new intelligence force.
1- Where translations would solely be handled by white, black and hispanic americans. These would be people who would have no loyalties to islam or linguistic or country loyalties to the region.
We should make it compulsory to require all national security workers to be third generation americans or be atleast born and raised in america.
2- For operatives who would be required to operate in islamic countries, we'd need people who would bear physical resemblance to muslims, yet have no loyalties to the islamic world or their countries of origin. Latinos and africans would be ideal candidates here.
3- finally, we'd still need moles in islamic govts and muslims to provide us with logistics. But these muslims should be controlled by an american operator who would not bring these muslims into contact with each other, but instead weave their efforts into one by jointly manipulating them.
Networking should be done away with by incorporating that into the work of the controller.
This would prevent muslims from teaming up to fool us or lie to us. It's always easier to control individuals than it is to control groups hostile to you, as it gives them the moral courage to lie, manipulate and cover up for each other..
Finally every intelligence committee and team should have a non islamic minority, so that the muslims can't commandeer that team to serve islamic goals.
Muslims should never be present at policy briefings and they should never handle intelligence.
Muslims should never have access to policy making circles in the west or tools that could manipulate western public opinion such as the media.
to be able to use the muslims as a tool against the islamic world they have to be robbed of the power to leverage the west from within.
islam and the west are so different and islamic values so abhorrent to the western mind ,that no westerner would ever spy for islamic govts no matter what the renumeration. It's only muslims in western intelligence that could spy for islamic countries. we need to rob the muslims of their ability to spy on us by robbing them of a place in western intelligence, by doing away with islamic cadres.
similarly, muslims find western values so abhorrent that they wouldould continue to stab us in the back. This necessitates the need for non islamic cadres to spy for us in the islamic world
If the muslims can send muslims to spy in the west. Why can't we send westeners to spy in the islamic world
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recruting latin american cadres would also secure us from al qaeda attacks from neighboring latin american countries.
It would also help us recruit latin america as an important ally against the islamic world
Similarly christian african cadres would also help recruit africa as another important ally against islam.
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