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FNC Reveals How Moore Distorted Scene with Bush at Golf Course
MRC ^ | 7/1/04 | Brent Baker

Posted on 07/01/2004 9:27:32 AM PDT by pookie18

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101 posted on 07/01/2004 5:19:49 PM PDT by nutmeg ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." - Comrade Hillary - 6/28/04)
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To: lugsoul
You folks must be really scared of this lardbag if you think you have to make up crap like this.

I strongly suggest that you support your slur that we have "made up crap", or retract it, as soon as possible.

After that you can crawl back into your hole.

102 posted on 07/01/2004 6:49:56 PM PDT by Ichneumon ("...she might as well have been a space alien." - Bill Clinton, on Hillary, "My Life", p. 182)
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To: pdxer
Michael Moore Is not telling you the Whole Truth (PDF)
103 posted on 07/01/2004 7:29:38 PM PDT by cgk (3000+ 9/11. Pearl, Fallujah, Berg, Jacobs, Scroggs, Johnson, Sun-il, Maupin Never forget Never Again)
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To: nutmeg

Thanks for the ping!


104 posted on 07/01/2004 7:39:33 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Salvation

You have to ask that question? The libs, of course.


105 posted on 07/02/2004 7:31:48 AM PDT by freekitty
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To: Ichneumon
I have asked at least three times what Moore said or did to indicate that the President was talking about the 9-11 terrorists as opposed to terrorists in general. You well know that, if the President was talking about the latter, there is nothing misleading about the clip. I have also asked how you were misled by the clip. So far, you have not responded to either.

Of course, another poster claimed it was misleading because "9/11" is in the title of the movie. Anyone who is misled by that fact alone has no one but themselves to blame.

How does the clip mislead you? If it doesn't, how can you claim it is "misleading"?

This is typical of the worst of FR - as long as you are attacking the right people, it doesn't matter whether what you say holds any water or not. In my opinion, that is no better than the crap Moore spews. You can justify it all you want based on "being on the right side," but that is a lame attempt to validate flawed tactics just because they serve the correct cause.

106 posted on 07/02/2004 7:59:36 AM PDT by lugsoul (Until at last I threw down my enemy and smote his ruin on the mountainside.)
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To: lugsoul

Are you voting for President Bush in November?


107 posted on 07/02/2004 8:27:01 AM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: roses of sharon
1st, let me respond by saying that I don't like the question. I was raised in a home where the sanctity of one's actions in the voting booth was taken very seriously. My folks' political views were not often the same, and it was a mark of my mother's independence that she could vote for whoever she wished without having to answer to - or even tell - my father about her votes. And later in life, I often learned about ways in which one or the other had voted in particular elections that I found most surprising, based upon what I knew of their views.

That being said, I'll see what my choices are in November. I am far from a rubber stamp vote for the President. If I have a choice on the ballot here that allows me to express my preference for limited government, I'll probably take it. My state is a lock for the President in November, so I have no need for strategic voting - and I strongly dispute the notion that a vote for anyone other than the GOP candidate "helps" Kerry. That may be true in Ohio, but it is not in Georgia.

It is obvious that the reason I've rubbed folks the wrong way on this Moore crap is that I refuse the "Bush good / anyone who questions Bush bad" paradigm. Even though I have openly acknowledged deceptive aspects of what I've read is in this movie, and even called out a couple of them, because I don't agree with this one stupid trifle that many here think is "misleading" - even though no one will contend for a second that it misled THEM - I am a "liberal" in their eyes.

I don't serve a political party. If they serve my interests and my views, I'll back them. But I don't modify my views to match those of the Administration or its representatives. My only interest on this issue is one of truth, accuracy, and fairness. The touchstone for that, in my mind, is: if these facts were reversed, i.e. if the shoe were on the other foot, would I approach it the same way? That's why I raised the Kerry example above. Is his comment taken out of context by not playing the entire clip? Sure it is. Is it funny that way? Of course it is. Does anyone really believe that's what he meant? Only if they are stupid or so blindly partisan that they have lost any critical thinking skills. It was an obvious blunder, poorly considered, which may give some insight into his overall thought process and may not. The same can be said about some comments made by the President.

After all, our President is the same man who, as a candidate, wished for "limits on freedom" because he was being parodied on some web sites. I don't care who he is, I could not disagree with that sentiment any more than I do.

108 posted on 07/02/2004 8:50:50 AM PDT by lugsoul (Until at last I threw down my enemy and smote his ruin on the mountainside.)
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To: lugsoul

Thanks, I just wanted to get it on the record that you do not support the President in his re-election.


109 posted on 07/02/2004 9:08:53 AM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: roses of sharon
That you can take that statement from my post displays a remarkable degree of dishonesty on your part.

How exactly does "The President is a lock in my state, so I may take the opportunity, if available, to support a candidate who opposes the big government actions of the GOP" translate into "I don't support the President."

Let me rephrase my response so you can understand it on your own simplistic terms: IF my choice was limited to Bush and Kerry, I'd support the President. However, there are other views out there that need to be heard and supported with votes - particularly the need for limitations on the scope of governement intrusion on freedom, and if I can support those voices in a state like mine, where the election is already over, then I will.

I'm sure you'll have difficulty putting that into your "Bush good / everyone else bad" paradigm, but that is what I said, despite your inaccurate spin.

110 posted on 07/02/2004 9:22:18 AM PDT by lugsoul (Until at last I threw down my enemy and smote his ruin on the mountainside.)
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To: lugsoul

LOL, cut the drama, it does not work on me.

Thanks again.


111 posted on 07/02/2004 9:48:43 AM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: roses of sharon

I'm just glad to have you saying on the record that truth and accuracy doesn't work for you.


112 posted on 07/02/2004 11:27:46 AM PDT by lugsoul (Until at last I threw down my enemy and smote his ruin on the mountainside.)
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To: lugsoul

That's it? Just one line? What, no long lecture?

Could you be on some liberal forum lecturing them on the merits of President Bush? Correcting any misunderstandings they may have been told about him or his policies, or explaning any reasons why he has earned a 2nd term?

No? I thought not.


113 posted on 07/02/2004 2:07:58 PM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: roses of sharon

I'll leave the liberal forums to you, roses.


114 posted on 07/02/2004 2:13:58 PM PDT by lugsoul (Until at last I threw down my enemy and smote his ruin on the mountainside.)
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To: lugsoul

As I suspected.



115 posted on 07/02/2004 2:36:12 PM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: Ramcat

These are the same people who believe that professional wrestling is real.
(((((good one))))))


116 posted on 07/02/2004 2:44:21 PM PDT by righthand man (WE'RE SOUTHERN AND PROUD OF IT)
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To: longtermmemmory

I agree, Brit Hume did say it the best,and I like how he isn't scared to tell it like it is... When a film maker like Moore tries to use ad hominem like this, all it does is reinforce those who disagree, and alienate those who are on the fence.


117 posted on 07/06/2004 2:45:25 PM PDT by hardknocks
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118 posted on 07/07/2004 8:28:32 PM PDT by nutmeg ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." - Comrade Hillary - 6/28/04)
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119 posted on 07/07/2004 8:29:52 PM PDT by nutmeg ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." - Comrade Hillary - 6/28/04)
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