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Proposal for a New Political Party
Vanity | 6-30-04 | Self

Posted on 06/30/2004 8:21:46 AM PDT by Protagoras

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To: Capitalism2003
I am familar with the Libertarian platform. The party is a failure.

(and your two basic premises are incorrect BTW)

61 posted on 06/30/2004 10:06:15 AM PDT by Protagoras (government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem." ...Ronald Reagan, 1981)
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To: Protagoras

Not really. All that would need to be said is that the 19th Amendment and the 14th is unnecessary due to the fact that there is nothing in the Constitution that states that women or minorities are not allowed to vote. If they are citizens, then they have the right to vote.


62 posted on 06/30/2004 10:07:37 AM PDT by looscnnn ("Live free or die; death is not the worst of evils" Gen. John Stark 1809)
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To: Protagoras

I don't have a ping list for this side of the forum.


63 posted on 06/30/2004 10:09:01 AM PDT by ksen (Free the GRPL 3! (Woody, CaRepubGal, Wrigley))
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To: Bob J
It is a trial balloon. It has to start somewhere. This site is for discussion.

Jim Robinson does not approve of party building for other parties on his Republican site. As such, I defer to him.

64 posted on 06/30/2004 10:10:21 AM PDT by Protagoras (government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem." ...Ronald Reagan, 1981)
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To: ksen

Thanks anyway. If you know anyone who might have an interesting comment feel free to ping them.


65 posted on 06/30/2004 10:11:09 AM PDT by Protagoras (government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem." ...Ronald Reagan, 1981)
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To: looscnnn

Any proposal to build a party based on repealing those amendments is going nowhere.


66 posted on 06/30/2004 10:13:11 AM PDT by Protagoras (government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem." ...Ronald Reagan, 1981)
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To: Dane

He He He He He He...


67 posted on 06/30/2004 10:13:59 AM PDT by bad company ((<a href="http://www.michaelmoore.com" target="_blank">Hatriotism))
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To: Protagoras

We need another party that has no chance winning an election like we need a hole in the head


68 posted on 06/30/2004 10:15:51 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Protagoras

I'm in.


69 posted on 06/30/2004 10:18:04 AM PDT by Merdoug
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To: tm22721
Repeal the 19th amendment.

Idiotic proposal

70 posted on 06/30/2004 10:18:51 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: tm22721
Repeal the 19th amendment.

Idiotic proposal

71 posted on 06/30/2004 10:19:06 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Protagoras
You're first two are true "issues" (Things that you could propose a single bill to accomplish). The rest are "governance philosophies". I contend they aren't specific enough. If you don't think there will be MAJOR divisions within you're new party on how to implement these philosophies - well - you've never belonged to an American protestant denomination.

I like your idea in general. Follow your own guidelines - make each plank something that can be enacted with one (or two) bill(s).

For instance, for strenghening defense, how about "Increase armed forced by two divisions and develop a bomber replacement for the B-52".

Anyway, that's my take.

72 posted on 06/30/2004 10:20:56 AM PDT by Warren_Piece (Just thinkin' about women and glasses of beer.)
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To: Kaslin
We need another party that has no chance winning an election like we need a hole in the head

Those in power want to stay in power. So stay where you are and enjoy the slide into oblivion.

You will be the opposition to the goals. No one ever thought there isn't opposition to these goals.

73 posted on 06/30/2004 10:23:13 AM PDT by Protagoras (government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem." ...Ronald Reagan, 1981)
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To: Protagoras
First off, let me say that I pretty much agree with most of your issues. That said, I have to say I disagree with your idea.

You're probably not going to be able to define a party on issues of your choosing, and make people come to it. (Think Libertarian or Reform Party.) Beyond that, you've only defined issues A-F. People will also want to know how you'll handle G-Z (not to mention issues beyond Z....) If you're going to invent a party, you have to address the other things people are also interested in, or they'll jsut ignore you.

What you're suggesting is the political equivalent of a Command Economy -- it probably won't work. History shows that issues tend to define themselves, and people will collect about them over time.

Next, you've got to think about why people would join Your Party. Party affiliation in the US is mostly a matter of habit and identy -- two things that do more to ensure loyalty than any set of defined issues. People will leave their current party affiliation only grudgingly, and often they'll move back when things "look better." Only when the party becomes utterly pointless (e.g., the Whigs in the 1850s) does the party really collapse.

IMHO, we're seeing precisely that sort of collapse among the Democrats. The whacko left is pissed and leaving, the fruit-loop left is in control, and normal people (Democrats by habit) are increasingly alienated.

I predict that what's really going to happen is this:

1. The Democrats dissolve, with the leftists going off to form a Socialist/Green party. These people are loud and marginalized.

2. The "Average/Moderate" wing coalesces in the middle, and they also collect the moderate Republicans, and become an overwhelming majority Party. (This is basically what the Democrats were from the 30s-70s.)

3. The Republican right becomes much smaller, and probably much more Buchananite, and is therefore also marginalized.

74 posted on 06/30/2004 10:24:23 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: Protagoras

Another atempt to fragment the Conservative vote. How transparent of you.


75 posted on 06/30/2004 10:24:34 AM PDT by Consort
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To: Warren_Piece

Very constructive comments, thank you. It's a work in progress.


76 posted on 06/30/2004 10:24:44 AM PDT by Protagoras (government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem." ...Ronald Reagan, 1981)
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To: Poincare
First the Dem party goes down in flames..... Then the GOP splits along liberal and conservative lines.

How 'bout this: Both the R's and D's would split, and the moderate/conservative D's and moderate/liberal R's coalesce into a new centrist party.

77 posted on 06/30/2004 10:27:28 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: Consort
Another atempt to fragment the Conservative vote. How transparent of you.

Thanks for your nonsensical comment. How predictable of you.

I take it you oppose these goals. No problem, we are political opponents.

Stick with the current left leaning Republican party and see how far your "conservative" goals are attained.

78 posted on 06/30/2004 10:28:13 AM PDT by Protagoras (government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem." ...Ronald Reagan, 1981)
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To: r9etb

Thanks for your comments. I hope you are wrong.


79 posted on 06/30/2004 10:30:27 AM PDT by Protagoras (government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem." ...Ronald Reagan, 1981)
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To: looscnnn

I'm not convinced that women should have the vote (except for my wife and my daughter, of course).


80 posted on 06/30/2004 10:34:09 AM PDT by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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