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Koch: Moore's propaganda film cheapens debate, polarizes nation
WORLD TRIBUNE.COM ^ | June 28, 2004 | Ed Koch

Posted on 06/28/2004 3:36:18 PM PDT by Jewels1091

It is shocking to me that Americans in a time of war, and we literally are at war with Americans being deliberately killed in Afghanistan, Iraq and elsewhere by Islamic terrorists, will attack their own country, sapping its strength and making its enemies stronger. I am not a supporter of the xenophobic slogan “My country right or wrong.” But I do believe, when seeking to make it right if it is wrong, that none of us should endanger the country, our military personnel or our fellow citizens.

Disagreeing with America’s foreign policy and seeking to change it, responsibly or irresponsibly, is a fundamental right protected by the First Amendment. Shaming those who do it irresponsibly is our only lawful recourse and rightly so.

Senator John Kerry in criticizing United States’ foreign policy and the incumbent president is acting responsibly, albeit I disagree with many of his views. On the other hand, Michael Moore, writer and director of the film “Fahrenheit 9/11,” crosses that line regularly. The line is not set forth in the criminal statutes, but it is determined by Americans who know instinctively what actions and statements taken and uttered violate the obligations of responsibility and citizenship they deem applicable in time of war.

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Wish everyone in the nation could read this
1 posted on 06/28/2004 3:36:18 PM PDT by Jewels1091
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To: Jewels1091

Most rabid libs don't have the attention span to read it!


2 posted on 06/28/2004 3:39:41 PM PDT by Mears
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To: Jewels1091

The last several articles quoting Koch are driven by wisdom and understanding. Took him a lifetime, but he has seen the light.


3 posted on 06/28/2004 3:40:59 PM PDT by NautiNurse (Godspeed to the new Iraqi government)
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To: Jewels1091

I wish Michael Moore would errantly walk into a room full of US Marines.


4 posted on 06/28/2004 3:42:35 PM PDT by yooper (If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there......)
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To: Jewels1091
Bizarre, despicable but true.

It is shocking to me that Americans in a time of war, and we literally are at war with Americans being deliberately killed in Afghanistan, Iraq and elsewhere by Islamic terrorists, will attack their own country, sapping its strength and making its enemies stronger.

5 posted on 06/28/2004 3:45:39 PM PDT by Helms ("...Noam Chomsky is arguably the most important intellectual alive.., The New York Times)
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To: Jewels1091
Listening to Moore fans calling Michael Medved got me pretty wound today. One caller said that rural people are less educated and would just go out and blow a tax refund on junk food.

Anyone remember the NAZI propaganda films that showed Jews as less educated and gluttonous? Now tell me that Moore and his followers haven't slid into that realm.
6 posted on 06/28/2004 3:46:21 PM PDT by cripplecreek (you tell em i'm commin.... and hells commin with me.)
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To: Jewels1091

Moore IS definitely one of the scum of the earth. No doubt about it.


7 posted on 06/28/2004 3:46:40 PM PDT by vpintheak (Our Liberties we prize, and our rights we will maintain!)
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To: Jewels1091

Well, we're just going to have to get as many people as possible to spread the word. Where is Sean Hannity and Bill O'Reilly when you need them? Why don't they have the ex-Mayor Koch on their Radio / TV Shows?

Is there anyone out there who can get this story to someone who can "take it and run with it"? I'm not sure just how big of an audience World Tribune.com has.

GO EDDIE GO!!!


8 posted on 06/28/2004 3:47:32 PM PDT by no dems (Does the Bush/Cheney camp monitor the Freep website?)
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To: Jewels1091

Speaking of one who with more than ordinary boldness attacked publick measures and the royal family, he said, "I think he is safe from the law, but he is an abusive scoundrel; and instead of applying to my Lord Chief Justice to punish him, I would send half a dozen footmen and have him well ducked."

Boswell's Life of Johnson


9 posted on 06/28/2004 3:51:01 PM PDT by Max Combined
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" Anyone remember the NAZI propaganda films that showed Jews as less educated and gluttonous? Now tell me that Moore and his followers haven't slid into that realm."

'Cept in this case, those 'Jews' happen to be armed to the teeth.

10 posted on 06/28/2004 4:04:35 PM PDT by Tench_Coxe
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To: Tench_Coxe

LOL. Can you imagine a scenario where liberals declare war on conservatives right before they flee to Canada?


11 posted on 06/28/2004 4:06:50 PM PDT by cripplecreek (you tell em i'm commin.... and hells commin with me.)
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To: Jewels1091

actually, that's what college humanities and social science programs are producing--people emoting on cue.

a "liberal arts education" no longer produces people who think.

if high schools and colleges required economics, the liberal left would eventually dwindle.


12 posted on 06/28/2004 4:10:16 PM PDT by no_problema
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To: Mears

Well, in fairness, Koch is reeeeeaaaaalllllyyyyy long winded. Have you read his autobiography? He'll go on for pages discribing tiny negotiations and such in labor disputes.

That said, still a good read.


13 posted on 06/28/2004 4:12:39 PM PDT by zbigreddogz
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To: Jewels1091

Koch belongs to an endangered species of liberal:
the patriotic liberal. This species is wrong on many domestic issues, but intellectually honest and genuinely desirous to provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare and secure the Blessings of Liberty.

The population of patriotic liberals has been in decline for decades, largely due to its marginalization by the Democratic Party.


14 posted on 06/28/2004 4:15:14 PM PDT by RBroadfoot
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To: Jewels1091
Poor moore. He's just so mislead by the jihadists.
15 posted on 06/28/2004 4:17:26 PM PDT by ChadGore (Vote Bush. He's Earned It.)
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To: cripplecreek
Listening to Moore fans calling Michael Medved got me pretty wound today.

I like Medved, but just cannot stand his radio show. He has two approachs. One is to bring on all sorts of Leftist kooks, giving them a forum to spout their trash. The other is to state his (Medved's) views on a topic, then ask for people who disagree with him to call in.

The end results is that he always seems to be discussing and debating Leftist premises, and he doesn't really do a good job of countering them. In the meantime, there's never much room on his show for people with centrist or right-of-center views.

16 posted on 06/28/2004 4:26:22 PM PDT by Wolfstar (Next big battle in our war against Islamofacism? Here at home, 11/02/04. We can't afford to lose.)
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"...I disagree with many of his views."

Koch knows that Jacques LeDoom is clueless.

17 posted on 06/28/2004 4:28:24 PM PDT by Ed_in_NJ
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To: no_problema

Funny you should mention that.

I was at a HS grad party on Sat, and in a conversation with a grad I said, "a liberal arts education is for s*it these days". "why not business, eng, econ, ect."?

And he said, "that goes against everything I believe in".

I almost laughed in his face, but I calmly said "get back with me in 10 years".

Later, he walked up to me and said he knew what I meant, and he would think about it.

I was stunned that no adult had ever suggested this to him.

How sad.


18 posted on 06/28/2004 4:31:59 PM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: Jewels1091
I am not a supporter of the xenophobic slogan “My country right or wrong.”

Koch needs to look up the meaning of "xenophobic." But, in these times of political correctness, all these cool lefty catchword terms just run into each other: xenophobic, ethnocentric, patriotic, ... they're all equally bad.

The libs just cannot tolerate or understand the concept of devotion to the interests of one's own nation. The "hate America first" philosophy has become a mainstream theme among all lefties. Even Koch is caught up in this nonsense.

19 posted on 06/28/2004 4:32:50 PM PDT by PLK
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To: NautiNurse

I wish Koch was speaking at the GOP Convention!


20 posted on 06/28/2004 4:33:38 PM PDT by Howlin
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