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Iraq firefight shows difficulty of fighting enemy while protecting the innocent
European Stars and Stripes ^ | June 27, 2004 | Charlie Coon

Posted on 06/28/2004 11:27:26 AM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4

CAMP FALLUJAH, Iraq — The Marines were patrolling a highway east of Fallujah when they began taking fire. They doubled back and were shot at again.

The platoon pulled up along the highway and pointed its guns toward a truck stop and some men, who were dressed as civilians.

“They looked like regular Iraqi citizens,” said Lance Cpl. Brad Swenson of Northfield, Minn. “It was hard to distinguish where the enemy personnel were. They’re really good at hiding themselves.”

The guerrilla war in Iraq has forced the Marines of Company D, 2nd Light Armored Reconnaissance Battalion to think twice before they shoot. Armed insurgents blend in with everyone else, so U.S. troops use tactics to destroy the enemy while trying not to kill innocent people.

The enemy and the innocents both wear blue jeans and T-shirts or robes with headscarves. The only way to tell the difference is to find the ones with rifles cocked under their arms or rocket-propelled grenades hoisted onto their shoulders.

Third platoon was finishing its six-hour shift early Thursday morning.

They’d been patrolling Route 1, the main supply route between Baghdad and Fallujah, for weeks without being fired upon.

That changed around 7:30 a.m.

“One day you’ll have a guy waving to you, giving you the thumbs up,” said Private 1st Class Randy Williamson of Tobyhanna, Pa. “The next day he gives it to you with an AK-47 [automatic rifle].

“It’s hard when the civilians and insurgents are basically side by side. You kind of have to pick and choose who’s bad and who’s good.”

The Marines fired back and soon gained “fire superiority,” where the enemy was ducking and the troops were able to maneuver. The platoon moved to a position where it was pointed toward the enemy fire but not at the houses in the distance or the cars on the highway.

They say the enemy is trying to goad them into coming into the city and the residential areas. The Marines didn’t take the bait.

For the moment, the platoons are not allowed to proceed into the city with their eight-wheeled killing machines — light-armored vehicles equipped with a 25 mm Bushmaster chain gun, two smaller guns and seven Marines trained to destroy.

Instead, they dismounted their LAV-25s and pushed the enemy back past the hide-and-seek dunes behind the truck stop and held their position. Some of the bad guys who ran away ditched their weapons and reappeared as innocents.

After several hours, 3rd platoon was relieved by 1st platoon, which took up the fight, moving slowly back toward houses from where enemy fire was coming.

“The houses were about four kilometers [away],” said 1st Lt. Ronny Rowell of Anaheim, Calif., the 1st platoon commander. “People were running in and out of the houses.

“They looked suspicious but they also looked like everybody else around. They could have been running from house to house trying to go get weapons or trying to shoot mortars, or they could have been trying to get their kids so they could run away and get protected.”

Helicopters came in and destroyed a few houses from where rockets and mortars were being shot. The fighting on the eastern side of Fallujah continued into Thursday night and the weekend.

For Williamson, who finished boot camp in October and joined his battalion in January, it was his first firefight. He helped take out the enemy fighters and caused others to retreat.

He was happy that he didn’t choke.

“I was afraid we were going to get down to the nitty-gritty and I was going to freeze up,” he said. “It’s not something you want to do when you have [six other guys on your vehicle] worrying about you laying down fire or taking out the guy who is about to shoot an RPG at you.

“Your round can make a difference between something goes wrong and something doesn’t.”

The Marines know they’ll win almost every fight against the insurgents. Usually the score will be lopsided. On Thursday, members of 3rd and 1st platoons killed an estimated 20 members of the enemy but themselves suffered only a handful of minor shrapnel wounds.

Yet the enemy fighters kept showing themselves, only to be killed.

“They know [they can’t win], but in their minds what they’re doing is right for them,” said Lance Cpl. Ken Torok of Redding, Pa.

Yet the enemy runs for cover. Surely those men who were running must have wanted to live, Torok is told.

“They’re just running away to try to find a better spot to attack us,” Torok said. “And it doesn’t work.”


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: fallujah; iraq; lav; wheeledarmor
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A platoon of Marines from Company D, 2nd Light Armored Reconnaissance Battalion, head out on Friday to patrol the main highway along the eastern edge of Fallujah, Iraq. Each of the Light Armored Vehicles, called LAV-25s for their 25 mm Bushmaster chain gun, carries seven Marines.

Marines from Company D, 2nd Light Armored Reconnaissance Battalion, on Friday head out to patrol the main highway along the eastern edge of Fallujah, Iraq.

1 posted on 06/28/2004 11:27:28 AM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
Lance Cpl. Brad Swenson of Northfield, Minn.

Yeah, Northfield, MN shoutout! (I went to college there.)

2 posted on 06/28/2004 11:29:01 AM PDT by johnfrink
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To: Gringo1; Matthew James; Fred Mertz; Squantos; colorado tanker; The Shrew; SLB; Darksheare; ...

ping


3 posted on 06/28/2004 11:29:58 AM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4 (I've lost turret power; I have my nods and my .50. Hooah. I will stay until relieved. White 2 out.)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4; Coop; Cap Huff

Interesting they are trying to draw the Marines into Fallujah..


4 posted on 06/28/2004 11:31:53 AM PDT by Dog (In Memory of Pat Tillman ---- ---- ---- American Hero.)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
“They looked like regular Iraqi citizens,” said Lance Cpl. Brad Swenson of Northfield, Minn. “It was hard to distinguish where the enemy personnel were. They’re really good at hiding themselves.”

When the shooting starts, if they aren't on their bellies or have their hands in the air, they're targets.

5 posted on 06/28/2004 11:32:50 AM PDT by hattend
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

"Some of the bad guys who ran away ditched their weapons and reappeared as innocents."

That's one way to really tick me off.


6 posted on 06/28/2004 11:34:32 AM PDT by Darksheare (I boil trolls in their skins and devour their souls because I'm COMPASSIONATE!)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
Yet the enemy fighters kept showing themselves, only to be killed.

Well...despite the cowardly tactics used by the terrorists, at least there are some getting what they deserve.

7 posted on 06/28/2004 11:41:57 AM PDT by Jagdgewehr (The Arab Street is in need of a major sweeping.)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
"“I was afraid we were going to get down to the nitty-gritty and I was going to freeze up,” he said."

Wasn't there a line in the famous speech to the troops that was made by Patton that addressed this? It was in the movie and spoken by George C. Scott, for sure.

8 posted on 06/28/2004 11:42:30 AM PDT by ExSoldier (.45 Auto: The Original "Point and Click" interface!)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

Can't we just nuke Fallujah from orbit? Its the only way to be sure.


9 posted on 06/28/2004 11:43:15 AM PDT by Frohickey
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To: Dog

This article also is a great example of why the laws of armed conflict make such a necessary distinction between legal and illegal combatants. NOT treating illegal combatants much harsher than lawful combatants endangers non-combatants. Applying the Geneva Convention to this scum ultimately hurts those presumed to be innocent, i.e. civilians.


10 posted on 06/28/2004 11:47:51 AM PDT by Cap Huff
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
"...You kind of have to pick and choose who’s bad and who’s good.”

IMHO, NONE of them are good, esp. if you are takeing fire. They get one chance to prove otherwise: Yell "Down!" (learn it in Arabic), then kill everybody still standing or moving.

This "politically correct" warfare is costing us too many troops.
11 posted on 06/28/2004 12:02:04 PM PDT by Little Ray (John Ffing sKerry: Just a gigolo!)
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To: johnfrink

A heck of a lot of restraint.


12 posted on 06/28/2004 12:17:39 PM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: R. Scott
A heck of a lot of restraint.

That appears to be the common thread in almost every single report we read of action in Iraq.

13 posted on 06/28/2004 12:30:07 PM PDT by HiJinx (Al-Sadr for Dog Catcher! Vote Early! Vote Often!)
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To: Dog
Plenty of Chechens in Fallujah who want to draw us into another Grozny massacre. The Marines don't allow themselves to be sucked in, and that is seen as weakness by far too many Freepers.
14 posted on 06/28/2004 12:35:20 PM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4 (I've lost turret power; I have my nods and my .50. Hooah. I will stay until relieved. White 2 out.)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
Plenty of Chechens in Fallujah

No surprise there...wonder how the new Iraqi security apparatus is going to deal with that reality?

15 posted on 06/28/2004 12:39:17 PM PDT by HiJinx (Al-Sadr for Dog Catcher! Vote Early! Vote Often!)
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To: ExSoldier
"When you stick your hand into a bunch of goo that a minute before was your best friend's face, you'll know what to do."
16 posted on 06/28/2004 12:46:21 PM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4 (I've lost turret power; I have my nods and my .50. Hooah. I will stay until relieved. White 2 out.)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
LOL! That's it!!
17 posted on 06/28/2004 12:57:20 PM PDT by ExSoldier (.45 Auto: The Original "Point and Click" interface!)
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To: ExSoldier
"Some of you, I know, are wondering whether or not you'll chicken out under fire. Don't worry about it.

When you put your hand into a bunch of GOO that a moment before was your best friend's face........

You'll know what to do."

18 posted on 06/28/2004 12:57:27 PM PDT by IDontLikeToPayTaxes
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To: Frohickey
Can't we just nuke Fallujah from orbit?

So far as I know we can't nuke Fallujah or anywhere else from orbit.

Nuking Fallujah pretty much wrecks any chance of a free and prosperous pro-American Iraq.

I have friends near Fallujah, and downwind of Fallujah. Would you irradiate Coalition personnel to fry the Jihadis?

19 posted on 06/28/2004 1:02:15 PM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4 (I've lost turret power; I have my nods and my .50. Hooah. I will stay until relieved. White 2 out.)
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To: HiJinx
If we ever get some high-speed, low-drag, trained Iraqi operators on our side they'll spot a Chechen just by eyeballing him and a non-indigenous Hadji as soon as he opens his mouth.

After that, two 5.56mm copper and lead pills administered subcutaneously just above the bridge of the nose solves most problems.

20 posted on 06/28/2004 1:12:01 PM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4 (I've lost turret power; I have my nods and my .50. Hooah. I will stay until relieved. White 2 out.)
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