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New law for 'fire-safe' cigarettes takes effect
Associated Press - ALBANY, N.Y. ^ | June 27, 2004, 2:45PM

Posted on 06/27/2004 7:09:35 PM PDT by nofatum

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I don't smoke cigarettes myself but I do believe that this is another example of out of control lawmakers who have nothing better to do. Jeez, why not make all companies government controlled - wait, it's almost there now!
1 posted on 06/27/2004 7:09:36 PM PDT by nofatum
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To: nofatum
Actually, the state's level of control is extended to the behavior of the smokers at the most personal level ~ how often they have to puff on the cigarettes!

Here, every smoker will have to smoke more of each cigarette. All this will do is increase the incidence of lung, lip and tongue cancer, emphysema, heart disease, etc.

I would gather from this that the state of New York prefers that smokers die even younger.

2 posted on 06/27/2004 7:17:37 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: nofatum

Lawyers love this- ANY fire will go to the courts.


3 posted on 06/27/2004 7:23:32 PM PDT by Mark (Treason doth never prosper, for if it prosper, NONE DARE CALL IT TREASON.)
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To: nofatum; SheLion; Gabz; Just another Joe; *puff_list
Puff

FMCDH(BITS)

4 posted on 06/27/2004 7:41:53 PM PDT by nothingnew (KERRY: "If at first you don't deceive, lie, lie again!")
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To: nofatum

Regular cigarettes have small amounts of saltpeter in the paper to keep them burning. That's why I smoke little cigars...


5 posted on 06/27/2004 7:51:20 PM PDT by mfulstone
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To: nofatum

Although I see the supposed reasoning behind this law - it's just another case of the "Government Know Best". When will politicians get a grip on the fact that you can't help everyone - or save every idiot from their own stupid actions.

If some idiot feels the need to go to bed a smoke in bed - and his bed catches fire when he falls asleep - it's HIS fault, not the government's or "Big Tobacco" fault.

IF someone "innocent' is harmed or killed by the smoker's negligence - deal with it that way.

If politicians are so concerned with protecting the public from stupid idiots - they need to outlaw themselves...


6 posted on 06/27/2004 7:55:10 PM PDT by TheBattman (http://www.miniclip.com/bushshootout.htm)
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To: nofatum
They'll probably find out that the no burn paper used to make these things is worse for health than the tobacco.
7 posted on 06/27/2004 8:22:07 PM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: nofatum

We regularly get fires here in NM due to smokers carelessness. Fireworks are a common cause too. Last week some (apparantly drunk) guy just fell asleep in the Bosque and his cigarette started another fire. It's illegal to even have cigarettes (or matches) in the Bosque but that doesn't stop people.

Of course, the Indian-run fireworks stands have been in full swing for the last few weeks.


8 posted on 06/27/2004 8:49:57 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: nofatum

What's the difference? There ain't nowhere you can legally smoke in NYC anyway. :-P


9 posted on 06/28/2004 1:56:32 AM PDT by Rightwing Conspiratr1 (Lock-n-load!)
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To: nothingnew; *puff_list; Just another Joe; Great Dane; Madame Dufarge; Gabz; MeeknMing; steve50; ...
Roll your own. Let the state KEEP their fire-safe ciggies.


10 posted on 06/28/2004 5:45:34 AM PDT by SheLion (Please register to vote! We can't afford to remain silent!!)
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To: nofatum; SheLion
I do believe that this is another example of out of control lawmakers who have nothing better to do.

Just another bull$hit law coming out of the unholy city of albany..

Time for a regime change in new york!

Vote!,Vote!,Vote!,Vote!

11 posted on 06/28/2004 5:54:57 AM PDT by The Mayor (The first step to receiving eternal life is to admit that we don't deserve it.)
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To: SheLion
Kramer's hair is on fire .....



12 posted on 06/28/2004 7:01:57 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (Call me the Will Rogers voter: I never met a Democrat I didn't like - to vote OUT OF POWER !)
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To: TheBattman; SheLion

I agree. It's the careless smoker's fault if they go to sleep with a lit cigarette,not the manufacturer.

It's also the fault of the careless candle burner if they leave a candle burning near something flammable and it's the fault of the idiot that overloads a faulty extension cord if a fire starts. Neither the candlemaker or the cord maker are at fault.

They are now saying that the chemicals used in the manufacture of fireproof mattresses and furniture are dangerous to one's health. As soon as one thing is fixed another problem arises.

I truly believe we have become a nation of whining idiots.


13 posted on 06/28/2004 7:02:26 AM PDT by Mears
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To: Doctor Stochastic

What's the Bosque?


14 posted on 06/28/2004 7:04:25 AM PDT by Mears
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To: Mears

The Bosque is a wooded area (recreational, game preserve, etc.) just next to Albuquerque. It's essentially a huge fire trap. Actually, the whole state is a fire trap; drought, bark beetles, little forest cutting; etc. Unfortunately, people don't seem to notice and continue being careless.


15 posted on 06/28/2004 7:18:24 AM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Doctor Stochastic

Thanks! I've been reading Michael McGarrity's books(I'm a mystery fan)and they really give a wonderful idea of what NM is like....He may have mentioned The Bosque but if he did,I don't remember.

Hope to visit your beautiful state some day.


16 posted on 06/28/2004 7:22:38 AM PDT by Mears
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To: SheLion

I just sent this out to all the legislators and a couple friends I have at the Buffalo News and local TV Station!
Maybe we can get the ball rolling another way, and some free press!

A Challenge to the Erie County Legislature

New York State Government is broken
just ask Sheldon Silver !
What is good for NY City is not good for US!

Time to take Manhattan Politics out of State politics!



I have a challenge for the Erie County Legislature, IF you really care about the economy of the Buffalo / Erie County area, You must act to help save it.


Pass Legislation to make Erie County
Businesses Exempt from the smoking ban!
It is called Free Enterprise!
You can act to help save these businesses and these jobs..
Be the first to offer options to businesses Smoking/Non smoking!



From this point forward Erie County will be excempt from the all out ban on smoking in Restaurants and Taverns. Let Erie County set the stage and be the first one up to the plate to offer the businesses the option of being a smoking or non-smoking place of business!

What effect has this law had on local businesses? Jobs have been lost, benefits taken away from employees, Sales Tax revenue is down, what effect will this have on the economy with the loss of sales taxes? Where will this revenue come from? Will the non smoking crowd pay for it, NO! They are only in the business of infringing their agenda upon the backs of the localilities, as the state does with the unfunded mandates.



It is high time we tell Albany to stay out of our affairs!
Stand up for the Rights of these businesses and the jobs!
Pass Legislation now.
Help save western New York!



I will be making a web page to send out to all residents of Western New York,
Government according to the Constitution is to be,


For the People
By the People
Not for and by the taxpayer funded special interest groups!
Stand up for our Rights!



Rus Thompson
Grand Island, NY
10th Legislative, 144th Assembly, 60th Senate District
I know who my representatives are, and I vote and will vote against all of them
if they don't start standing up for our Rights!

Don't tell me that this is not how Government works !
Right now New York State government doesn't work !
We can make it work for us for a change.








17 posted on 06/28/2004 9:23:35 AM PDT by The Mayor (The first step to receiving eternal life is to admit that we don't deserve it.)
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To: The Mayor
I just sent this out to all the legislators and a couple friends I have at the Buffalo News and local TV Station! Maybe we can get the ball rolling another way, and some free press!

That's good! And good luck with this.

The state of Maine is already lost. It's almost impossible to get a law reversed once it is set into action. Pity.

And I never had a chance to even vote on a smoking ban in Maine. The lawmakers and the Governor just went right along with the anti's in this state and did it.

Partnership For a Tobacco Free Maine

CHOKING MAINE'S ECONOMY

18 posted on 06/28/2004 9:28:37 AM PDT by SheLion (Please register to vote! We can't afford to remain silent!!)
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To: SheLion; NYC GOP Chick; Calliope04; sdk7x7; kphockey2; bluerose; risen_feenix; firebrand; ...
It's almost impossible

Key word "almost", we need to put pressure on the locals to see if they really care about the survival of the economy.

We should make this a national movement. Make the locals stand up and be held accountable!

19 posted on 06/28/2004 9:39:18 AM PDT by The Mayor (The first step to receiving eternal life is to admit that we don't deserve it.)
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To: The Mayor; NYC GOP Chick; Oschisms
New York City supplies outdoor ashtrays for bar and restaurant smokers. The only problem is they are full of anti-smoking propaganda--pictures of lungs, etc. You are forced to have some guilt along with your cigarette.

Actually, I'm in favor of the no-smoking law. Ouch. Stop it! Okay, okay . . . Ow!

20 posted on 06/28/2004 9:47:57 AM PDT by firebrand
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