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Homosexuality is not biologically determined - latest research.
On Line opinion ^ | June 08, 2004 | Dr David van Gend

Posted on 06/25/2004 7:32:18 AM PDT by scripter

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To: evad
Think about it.

If homosexuality were genetic, wouldn't it have died out thousands of years ago? How would true genetically-based homosexuals have procreated over the years?

21 posted on 06/25/2004 7:55:08 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: LizardQueen
I agree.

I very much encourage you to read the linked article in post 14.

22 posted on 06/25/2004 7:58:26 AM PDT by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: ElkGroveDan
Well they don't "choose" schizophrenia or other psychological disorders either. Mental illness comes on for many complex reasons, overt choice usually isn't one of them.

And homosexuality was considered a mental illness until 1973. That's when homosexual activism was able to have it removed as a mental illness. It certainly wasn't science that lead to the change. The article mentions Dr. Spitzer - he was involved in that decision and now he believes homosexuals can leave the lifestyle.

23 posted on 06/25/2004 8:01:20 AM PDT by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: scripter
Bah -- this is not a very impressive article. Lots of assertions and blather. Just a guy preaching to the choir.

But the basic thrust of this article seems to be that there is no "nature" aspect to homosexuality, which is pure crap. (If there were no "nature" aspect, homosexuality would not occur in nature -- but it does.)

Homosexuality doesn't have to be "genetic" for somebody to be "born that way." Just as various other personality traits seem to be innate, a tendency to same-sex attraction can be innate. This doesn't make it "genetic," any more than your or my personality traits are "genetic."

That doesn't change the fact that homosexuality is disordered, nor does it alter the fact that environment can be and often is a major factor in causing people to act on an existing pre-disposition.

24 posted on 06/25/2004 8:03:03 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: JZoback
If I was a black person, I would be completely offended by the idea.

Indeed, and many are.

25 posted on 06/25/2004 8:03:47 AM PDT by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: evad
Until someone can adequately explain that one I will continue to disbelieve that homosexual is totally behavioral. There HAS to be more to it.

I agree.

26 posted on 06/25/2004 8:04:28 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: scripter
That article summarizes most of what I've read on the subject.

Interesting...and it does seem to provide some answers.

I'll bookmark it to go over in more detail at a later time.

Thanks,
dave

27 posted on 06/25/2004 8:05:14 AM PDT by evad (What's BAD for democRATs is GOOD for America)
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To: scripter
>>(Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle) <<

More like..(Thousands have escaped the homosexual lifestyle)

28 posted on 06/25/2004 8:08:15 AM PDT by evad (What's BAD for democRATs is GOOD for America)
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To: scripter
And homosexuality was considered a mental illness until 1973. That's when homosexual activism was able to have it removed as a mental illness. It certainly wasn't science that lead to the change. The article mentions Dr. Spitzer - he was involved in that decision and now he believes homosexuals can leave the lifestyle.

I agree with you. I was responding to the person who couldn't believe that children "choose" homosexuality, suggesting there must be a natural component to it. In responding I implied that it is a mental illness like any other that needs to be treated.

29 posted on 06/25/2004 8:09:52 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan (If you can read this, thank a teacher....and since it's in English, thank a soldier)
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To: r9etb
No "Bah" about it.

The article summarizes many of the latest findings, and those findings are very interesting because they clash with the poltical agenda of homosexuals and their sympathizers.

The homosexuality in nature argument has been debunked many times. Animals resort to it briefly when females aren't around but animals are quick to return to normal sexual activity when females are around. Besides that, should man imitate animals?

Anybody who uses your argument is not very well informed on the subject.

I suggest you start reading with the link in post 14 and then move on to the link in post 6.

30 posted on 06/25/2004 8:10:01 AM PDT by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: scripter
I know a lesbian whom I consider to be transgendered. In her case, I do believe she WAS BORN that way.

The problem with this argument, on both sides, is that they want to lump ALL gay people into the same category. Gays want it seen that they are ALL born that way, those opposed want to say that it is a choice for all of them. I think there are varying degrees. The partner of this woman is someone who I think became gay from her life experience, and thus it was something more of a choice, but by some strong anti-male experiences she had from her past.

Here is another problem with these arguments, this idea that if it is a "born" thing, that it is Genetic. This doesn't have to be true, I really doubt there exists a "gay" gene. _IF_ some are born this way, I think its probably an error in the expression of the genes, a birth defect.

31 posted on 06/25/2004 8:11:25 AM PDT by Paradox (Occam was probably right.)
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To: scripter

Irrelevent.

The "gay gene" has approached the status of legend and will believed regardless of the research that refutes it.

Just like the bogus 10% figure.

The Left couldn't care less about anything so inconvenient as facts.


32 posted on 06/25/2004 8:12:52 AM PDT by Skooz (My Biography: Psalm 40:1-3)
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To: LizardQueen

"Who of the straights among us believe that we could learn to be gay and like it? "

I think that at one time, I probably could have. For a variety of reasons, I used to have a tremendous anger at men. Had I had just a few more bad experiences with men, and had a kind, loving lesbian comforted me, a change in my "sexual orientation" would not have been outside the realm of possibility.


33 posted on 06/25/2004 8:13:02 AM PDT by walden
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To: ElkGroveDan

I know, EGD - sorry my post came across in a way it wasn't intended.


34 posted on 06/25/2004 8:14:12 AM PDT by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: scripter

You know, since my morning laziness IS BIOLOGICALLY programmed, and I can't help it, maybe I should start an "awareness" and "rights" movement. I can see it now:
The Benefits & Education Defense for Heterosexuals Enduring Aversion to Daylight Savings (BED-HEADS).


35 posted on 06/25/2004 8:14:22 AM PDT by hispanarepublicana (Free Brigitte Bardot.)
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To: hispanarepublicana

For arguments sake - What about the people born with 2 organs and the parents have to decide at birth which organ should go. And years later they realize they made a mistake ?


36 posted on 06/25/2004 8:16:38 AM PDT by Independentamerican (Independent Sophomore at the University of MD)
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To: Paradox

It's complicated, but I think you would change your mind if you read more on the subject.


37 posted on 06/25/2004 8:17:27 AM PDT by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: scripter
To find that the authors of these studies are certifiably insane would be to find even homosexual scientists who have come to the same conclusion to be insane, and they're probably not going to lynch their own.

They aren't going to worry about that. Logical extensions of reasoning have no place in liberal politics. The goal is to attack the character and motives of your opponents until they go away, and others are intimidated away from taking their place.

I promise you the assault on Spitzer's character and mental faculties will soon begin. They will call him senile, they will say he has become a tool of the religious right, that he's been brainwashed, or financially corrupted, or whatever. I have seen it more times than I care to remember.

38 posted on 06/25/2004 8:17:40 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan (If you can read this, thank a teacher....and since it's in English, thank a soldier)
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To: evad
There HAS to be more to it.

I agree that it isn't entirely a choice.

I equate homosexuality with fetishes. Some have an irresistable compunction to be sexually aroused by shoes, leather, etc., as well as those who are sexually aroused by being abused, dominated, humiliated, etc.

That isn't always a choice, per say, but it is almost certainly learned behavior.

39 posted on 06/25/2004 8:18:25 AM PDT by Skooz (My Biography: Psalm 40:1-3)
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To: Skooz
The Left couldn't care less about anything so inconvenient as facts.

Indeed. I just hope it's not too late to educate those who are still teachable.

40 posted on 06/25/2004 8:19:28 AM PDT by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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