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To: KMC1

I still for the life of me don't see the scandal here... Even if everything is true in the allegations is true, he asked his wife for a hummer in front of other people she said no, and life went on......

Where is the damned scandal? I mean is having sex or wanting to have sex with your wife a crime now?

I think the real scandal of this whole thing is why a Judge unsealed records he originally sealed to protect their children... in spite of the fact that both parents argued to keep them sealed. If anything, THAT is the scandal... not the fact some married couple went to sex clubs, and heaven forbid even in the sex club wanted to have sex with each other.


4 posted on 06/25/2004 7:21:19 AM PDT by HamiltonJay ("You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.")
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To: HamiltonJay
After 8 yrs. of Toon, you can still think character doesn't count? Anyway, how about blackmail? If he doesn't come clean, and Ryan sure didn't reveal this himself, he's a risk.

And by all means, the leak should be investigated and the leaker dealt with.

7 posted on 06/25/2004 7:23:44 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: HamiltonJay
The scandal, if even true, is a scandal!

My bet is that these allegations were done out of anger and for the purpose of the divorce only.

The allegations are likely stretched beyond credibility, but it does not matter. they are out of the bag.

8 posted on 06/25/2004 7:26:04 AM PDT by Cold Heat ("Politics is not a bad profession. If you disgrace yourself, you can always write a book."(Reagan)
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To: HamiltonJay
Tha scandal is that Ryan knew Jeri made these allegations and they were in the records. When he was specifically asked by Republican Leadership if there was anything embarrassing in his divorce papers that could be used against him - he said no.

So the scandal is that he LIED his way into the support and endorsement of the party.

Also, face facts - Ryan is getting creamed by Obama. He is a terrible campaigner and candidate. This is a way to get him out of the race and maybe get someone in that could make a reca of it. The seat is probably lost, but Obama is a left of left socialist and the right campain and candidate could still come back.

15 posted on 06/25/2004 7:38:04 AM PDT by commish (Freedom Tastes Sweetest to Those Who Have Fought to Preserve It)
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To: HamiltonJay

I just got off the phone talking to my lawyer. We both agreed it was no big deal. In fact he believed that all divorce proceedings should be sealed. He said he could not believe all the things that are said in divorce proceedings to get a better deal in the divorce. As far as Judy Barr Topinka goes I don't recall seeing her at any events for Cook County Republicans. She sure was missing when Katherine Harris came to Chicago about a year and a half ago.


16 posted on 06/25/2004 7:38:24 AM PDT by LauraJean (sometimes I win sometimes I donate to the equine benevolent society)
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To: HamiltonJay

The lie is the scandal, not the act. He shouldn't have taken this page from the Slick Willy playbook.


21 posted on 06/25/2004 7:42:53 AM PDT by sarasota
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To: HamiltonJay
I mean is having sex or wanting to have sex with your wife a crime now?

It depends. You'll have to answer if you are a Democrat or a Republican before I can respond accurately.

24 posted on 06/25/2004 8:35:49 AM PDT by Lazamataz ("Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown" -- harpseal)
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To: HamiltonJay

I expect such good sense from one with Hamilton in his name.
Too bad there is so little of it around here.


28 posted on 06/25/2004 9:26:58 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (America's Enemies: foreign and domestic RATmedia agree Bush must be destroyed.)
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To: HamiltonJay

This is now a Fox News Alert. Considering the allegations took place over 5 years ago, this is a serious non-story, and should have been treated as such.


35 posted on 06/25/2004 10:02:36 AM PDT by cgk (3000+ 9/11. Pearl, Fallujah, Berg, Jacobs, Scroggs, Johnson, Sun-il... Never forget. Never Again!)
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To: HamiltonJay

I thought the same thing, until a Freeper gave me more details. This was not some risque show in Las Vagas watching Gypsy Rose Lee and he got randy with his wife. He wanted her to do a group thing at the sex club. I don't know if that rumor but this scandal will sprout wings and get out of control. He's damaged goods. This will not play well in Peoria.


46 posted on 06/25/2004 1:45:04 PM PDT by Milligan
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To: HamiltonJay

This is the way it is. You will never see the Ted Kennedy, Tom Daschle divorce papers brought out by politicians. The incivility and outrageous behavior of Democrats and the use of liberal courts will backfire on them. The AP lawsuit for GW Bush military records should be followed very quickly by a lawsuit for all of Kerry's divorce and military records. It is now fair game.


47 posted on 06/25/2004 1:59:30 PM PDT by oldironsides
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To: HamiltonJay

What is the party affiliation of the judge? Why isn't this being asked by the media? If a democrat was involved it would be


48 posted on 06/25/2004 2:06:19 PM PDT by EmilyGeiger
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To: HamiltonJay

The Big Scandal here is that Ryan went to a Sex Club with his wife. Who the hell would take their wife to a Sex Club? He didn't get enough of her at home? You go to a Sex Club to get AWAY from your wife. Therefore Ryan showed POOR JUDGEMENT.


52 posted on 06/25/2004 3:36:16 PM PDT by PJ-Comix
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To: HamiltonJay

It doesn't matter what the scandal was no one and I repeat no one named Ryan will win a state wide election in Illinois.

Former Gov. Jim Ryan has poisoned the political well for the last name Ryan for the next 20 years.

If the guy's last name had been Blutarsky it would have been fine but not Ryan.


56 posted on 06/25/2004 4:09:11 PM PDT by Captain Peter Blood
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To: HamiltonJay

---I mean is having sex or wanting to have sex with your wife a crime now?---

The missionary position behind locked doors with the lights off should be OK.


58 posted on 06/25/2004 9:27:11 PM PDT by claudiustg (Go Sharon! Go Bush!)
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