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US experts say global warming faster than thought
Agence France-Presse ^ | Fri, Jun 25, 2004

Posted on 06/25/2004 6:07:15 AM PDT by presidio9

A new US supercomputer has shown that global temperatures could be rising more than scientists had thought, experts said.

The computer at the National Center for Atmospheric Research projects that temperatures could rise by 2.6 degrees Celsius (4.7 degrees Fahrenheit) if countries continue to emit large amounts of carbon dioxide.

The previous estimates were a rise of about two degrees Celsius (3.6 degrees Fahrenheit).

Information from the Community Climate System Model, known as CCSM3, will be presented to the Intergovernmental Panel On Climate Change, an international body of experts established by the United Nations (news - web sites) to assess the environmental impact of climate change.

According to the US National Science Foundation (news - web sites) (NSF), a variety of models in the past have been used to understand the effects of carbon dioxide, a common greenhouse gas emitted by cars and power plants.

Atmospheric levels of carbon dioxide have increased significantly in recent decades to about 370 million parts per million today and levels are continuing to rise.

If carbon dioxide emissions were to double, most scientific models agree that this would signifigantly increase global temperatures.

But, the models have been unable to produce consistent results in trying to determine the impact of other sources global warming, such as radiation from clouds or thunderstorms and the effect aerosol gases have on the environment.

Clifford Jacobs, an NSF scientist, said that with the new models "the degree of uncertainty has narrowed."

"We have a higher degree of confidence in these results than in the previous results."

Jacobs said scientists now hope their models will become sophisticated enough to predict how climate change will affect specific regions, such as in Africa or the American Midwest.

He hopes the scientific breakthrough will "better inform the ongoing debate" over global warming.

"The key question is: How much of the change is a natural variability and how much of the change is caused by activities of mankind on the face of planet," he said.


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KEYWORDS: climatechange; globalwarming; globalwarmingtheory
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1 posted on 06/25/2004 6:07:16 AM PDT by presidio9
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I am up here freezing my butt off at the end of June and these people come up with this BS. Give me a break! We had a low last night of 42 deg..


2 posted on 06/25/2004 6:09:39 AM PDT by Piquaboy
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To: presidio9

Another story about mystics gazing into their cristal silicon balls.


3 posted on 06/25/2004 6:15:28 AM PDT by DManA
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"... Atmospheric levels of carbon dioxide have increased significantly in recent decades to about 370 million parts per million today..."

Wow! 370 million parts per million? It's surprising that any of us can breathe.

Andrew


4 posted on 06/25/2004 6:17:20 AM PDT by Andy Ross
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He hopes the scientific breakthrough will "better inform the ongoing debate" over global warming

Sorry, I missed the "scientific breakthrough". The only "scientific breakthrough" that occured were the already worse than worst-case assumptions have been tweaked to produce more dramatic results to stir public opinion. My Theory of Global Warming states that as Public Opinion about global warming drops, the higher the predictions go. So far my well-researched theory has shown perfect correlation.

5 posted on 06/25/2004 6:18:42 AM PDT by Always Right
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But, the models have been unable to produce consistent results in trying to determine the impact of other sources global warming, such as radiation from clouds or thunderstorms and the effect aerosol gases have on the environment.

Not to mention the oceans which, after all, only account for 2/3 rds of the surface of the planet.

Oh, and BTW, how about the impact of Mr. Sun?

6 posted on 06/25/2004 6:18:43 AM PDT by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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That's great news, that should save us from their predicted ICE-AGE for a few years.


7 posted on 06/25/2004 6:19:19 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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Yup the global warming is killing us.

right now it's 56, was only 70 yesterday, might not even hit that today.

Global warming my a.....


8 posted on 06/25/2004 6:20:10 AM PDT by The Mayor (The first step to receiving eternal life is to admit that we don't deserve it.)
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To: Piquaboy
I am up here freezing my butt off at the end of June and these people come up with this BS. Give me a break! We had a low last night of 42 deg.Welcome to the Midwest!

I'm in WI and going through the same thing. It's almost the 4th of July and I'm sitting here in a flannel shirt and jeans! Low of 46 last night . . thought about turning on the furnace . . . . .

9 posted on 06/25/2004 6:21:51 AM PDT by WIladyconservative (Proud monthly donor - ARE YOU???)
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yikes! it's 72 already..


10 posted on 06/25/2004 6:23:22 AM PDT by petercooper (In the end, the Democrats are really just a herd of jackasses.)
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Another story about mystics gazing into their cristal silicon balls....

They've got balls?

11 posted on 06/25/2004 6:26:38 AM PDT by pageonetoo (Rights, what Rights'. You're kidding, right? This is Amerika!)
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Since I am coming up there for the weekend it is good to hear I won't have to climate adjust.


12 posted on 06/25/2004 6:27:42 AM PDT by Piquaboy
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"The key question is: How much of the change is a natural variability and how much of the change is caused by activities of mankind on the face of planet," he said.

If this is the key question, why aren't they trying to find the answer instead of building more sophisticated models on faster computers that use the assumption it is our activities that are causing it?

13 posted on 06/25/2004 6:28:23 AM PDT by eggman (Abortion - the only choice Democrats support)
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What a beautiful cool Iowa morning it is!


14 posted on 06/25/2004 6:32:26 AM PDT by TomHarkinIsNotFromIowa (Foe Hammer!)
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What I find very amusing, is the source of your post. They can't get anybody around here to print their Bravo Sierra!


15 posted on 06/25/2004 6:36:38 AM PDT by pageonetoo (Rights, what Rights'. You're kidding, right? This is Amerika!)
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probably the coldest June in a long time (10,000 years) here in Missouri. I have my sweatshirt on


16 posted on 06/25/2004 6:36:54 AM PDT by rface (Ashland, Missouri -)
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LOL.....same here in the northeast. Hardly had the air conditioning on yet and have had the heat on numerous times this spring.


17 posted on 06/25/2004 6:39:55 AM PDT by OldFriend (IF YOU CAN READ THIS, THANK A TEACHER.......AND SINCE IT'S IN ENGLISH, THANK A SOLDIER)
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global warming faster than thought

Hey, nothings faster than thought. Or at least that's what I thought.

18 posted on 06/25/2004 6:40:45 AM PDT by techcor
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To: WIladyconservative
Reading on the net that Colorado is exceptionally cool for this time of the year.

But, shhhhhh don't tell the kookburgers!

19 posted on 06/25/2004 6:41:08 AM PDT by OldFriend (IF YOU CAN READ THIS, THANK A TEACHER.......AND SINCE IT'S IN ENGLISH, THANK A SOLDIER)
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It's June 25 in Ohio.

The projected high today for Columbus is 73.

I'm wearing a long sleeved shirt.

I'm going to hold a < bleeping > party when 'global warming' finally gets around to starting.

Oh, wait, I forgot! The unusually cool temps are a part of Global Warming, too. So, if I'm too hot, it's global warming, if I'm too cold, it's global warming, and if I'm just right, it's central air.

Yeesh.


20 posted on 06/25/2004 6:43:33 AM PDT by Mr. Thorne ("But iron, cold iron, shall be master of them all..." Kipling)
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