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Army Told Not to Use Israeli Bullets in Iraq
myway ^ | June 24,2004

Posted on 06/24/2004 3:57:10 PM PDT by Woahhs

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Israeli-made bullets bought by the U.S. Army to plug a shortfall should be used for training only, not to fight Muslim guerrillas in Iraq and Afghanistan, U.S. lawmakers told Army generals on Thursday.

Since the Army has other stockpiled ammunition, "by no means, under any circumstances should a round (from Israel) be utilized," said Rep. Neil Abercrombie of Hawaii, the top Democrat on a House of Representatives Armed Services subcommittee with jurisdiction over land forces.

The Army contracted with Israel Military Industries Ltd. in December for $70 million in small-caliber ammunition.

The Israeli firm was one of only two worldwide that could meet U.S. technical specifications and delivery needs, said Brig. Gen. Paul Izzo, the Army's program executive officer for ammunition. The other was East Alton, Illinois-based Winchester Ammunition, which also received a $70 million contract.

Although the Army should not have to worry about "political correctness," Abercrombie was making a valid point about the propaganda pitfalls of using Israeli rounds in the U.S.-declared war on terror, said Rep. Curt Weldon, the Pennsylvania Republican who chairs the subcommittee on tactical air and land forces.

"There's a sensitivity that I think all of us recognize," Weldon told the Army witnesses, including Maj. Gen. Buford Blount, who led the U.S. Third Infantry Division that captured Baghdad in April 2003.

Blount, now the Army's assistant deputy chief of staff, said the Army had sufficient small caliber ammunition -- 5.56mm, 7.62mm and .50 caliber -- to conduct current operations in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere.

But taken together with training needs, the United States had strained its production facilities, he testified.

"To fight a major combat operation in another theater will require the Army to impose restrictions on training expenditures and to focus current inventory and new production on combat operations," Blount said.

As a result, he said the Army hoped to stretch U.S. supplies to supplement the capacity of the government-owned Lake City plant in Independence, Missouri, that currently makes more than 90 percent of U.S. small caliber ammunition.

The Lake City factory, operated by Alliant Techsystems Inc., has nearly quadrupled its production in the past four years. This year, it will produce more than 1.2 billion rounds, Karen Davies, president of the ATK arm that runs it, told the panel. Lake City provided more than 2 billion rounds a year during World War II and Vietnam, she said.

The Army's needs will grow to about 1.5 billion to 1.7 billion rounds a year in coming years, Blount said.

"In the near-term, balancing training requirements with current operational needs is a manageable risk-mitigation strategy," he said.

The Army does not want to repeat its history of building capacity during wartime "only to dismantle it in peacetime," Blount added.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; Israel; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: banglist; imi; israel; stupidity; zionist
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To: Woahhs

Imagine if we had fought World War II like this?


21 posted on 06/24/2004 4:11:06 PM PDT by Cagey
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To: maestro

how about using them in France.


22 posted on 06/24/2004 4:11:28 PM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: Woahhs

Can't use panties.

Can't use dogs.

Can't use leashes.

Can't use Israeli bullets.




We're losing this WoT.

WoT gets more PC every day.


23 posted on 06/24/2004 4:11:51 PM PDT by TomGuy (Clintonites have such good hind-sight because they had their heads up their hind-ends 8 years.)
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To: Woahhs
This is absurd.

How in hell is the military supposed to win a war when the bureaucrats keep coming up with this crap?

I say, kill the terrorists, militants and any other SOB that confronts us by any means necessary.
24 posted on 06/24/2004 4:13:05 PM PDT by Beckwith (Did Kerry commit murder in Viet Nam?)
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten

Hell, they should etch little Jewish stars on the casing.


25 posted on 06/24/2004 4:13:13 PM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: Woahhs

Next thing y'know they'll be screening out Jewish donations from bloodbanks. Can't stop wounded Muslims from bleeding to death with Jewish blood transfusions.... On second thought, that suits me just fine.


26 posted on 06/24/2004 4:13:25 PM PDT by rbg81
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To: finnman69

You could always rig up a matzo-ball round for the M203...


27 posted on 06/24/2004 4:13:58 PM PDT by wingnutx (tanstaafl)
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To: SJackson; Dennis; MeekOneGOP; devolve; B4Ranch; FBD; PhilDragoo
UNBELIEVABLE!

An Israeli bullet will kill an Islamic terrorist just as dead as an American bullet - maybe even better! - ping.

28 posted on 06/24/2004 4:14:19 PM PDT by Happy2BMe (Ronald Reagan to Islamic Terrorism: YOU CAN RUN - BUT YOU CAN'T HIDE!)
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To: *bang_list

BANG


29 posted on 06/24/2004 4:14:52 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: SJackson

IMI in my experience is 100% in .223 (oooh, greentip) and .45

It's a bit stout in the brass to reload for .45 which is a good thing, though requires a touch more ooomph to size :o)


30 posted on 06/24/2004 4:15:03 PM PDT by glock rocks (I didn't do it, nobody saw me do it, there's no way you can prove anything.)
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To: Alouette
Forget bullets. Let's just decapitate them with US-manufactured chainsaws.

I like the way you think.

31 posted on 06/24/2004 4:15:39 PM PDT by WarPaint (Nuke mecca. Be done with it.)
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To: finnman69

Mold something into the guns to stamp crosses and Solomon Seals onto the rear of the bullets as they are fired.


32 posted on 06/24/2004 4:16:15 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: humblegunner; Eaker; Allegra

"shooting them is okay, just don't offend them" ping


33 posted on 06/24/2004 4:16:20 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: WarPaint

All the chainsaws at Home Depot are made where? China?


34 posted on 06/24/2004 4:16:57 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: Woahhs

There is only one word to describe this whole line of thinking by the PC-infected idiots in media and bureaucracy-Land:

RACIST.


35 posted on 06/24/2004 4:17:06 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: Woahhs

They must lubricate them with pig lard.


36 posted on 06/24/2004 4:17:23 PM PDT by tiki
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To: Woahhs

Just proves what I posted this morning. We are fighting a PC war. You can't win a PC war against pure evil. I am disgusted and disappointed.


37 posted on 06/24/2004 4:18:02 PM PDT by veronica (Hate-triotism, the religion of leftists, liberals, anti-semites, and other cranks...)
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To: rbg81
Can't stop wounded Muslims from bleeding to death with Jewish blood transfusions....

Pigs blood is more appropriate.

38 posted on 06/24/2004 4:18:06 PM PDT by JimRed (Fight election fraud! Volunteer as a local poll watcher, challenger or district official.)
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To: Woahhs
Betcha the terrorist don't care where their ammo comes from and we have probably been shot at with Israeli ammo.
39 posted on 06/24/2004 4:18:35 PM PDT by BulletBobCo (Former 463)
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To: TomGuy

BTTT...


40 posted on 06/24/2004 4:18:41 PM PDT by veronica (Hate-triotism, the religion of leftists, liberals, anti-semites, and other cranks...)
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