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Posted on 06/24/2004 2:57:05 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
WASHINGTON (AP) - North Korea told the United States on Thursday that it would test a nuclear weapon unless Washington accepted Pyongyang's proposal for a freeze on its atomic program, a senior administration official said.
Vice Foreign Minister Kim Gye Gwan spoke with Assistant Secretary of State James A. Kelly in a 2 1/2-hour private discussion in China, where a six-nation conference is being held on the long-running impasse over Pyongyang's nuclear ambitions.
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I got a dollar that says it won't even work (if they even have one.)
They're little friggin' beggars, looking for us to subsidize their kooky cult of communism.
If Pugsley does have a working nuke, let him set it off. Then we can announce that we're unconcerned because he can't hit LA. Let's watch China and Japan (and even the uber-liberal Australian press) shit their pants.
Somebody, somewhere, who isn't us, has to step up to the plate once in a while and take charge.
Have you ever read Richard Marcinko's books? He is/was Navy Seal from Virginia who was imprisoned for one year for telling the true story of Vietnam War. They made him sign agreement not to write non-fiction Seal stories. He signed and continued to write fiction....based on real Navy Seal exploits...he was still in Navy Seals during Clinton's administration and one of his books tells of how the North Koreans walked out of West Wing with Top Secret nuclear technology, but it was written as non-fiction.....don't believe that, he eluded to it being truth elsewhere. You know change names/dates/some info, etc. His language is crude so I skip over it, but I know he is right on.
Do you think they'd even notice? We might end up damagng the one or 2 buildings they have.
Richard Marcinko was on Bill O'Reilly show right before Iraq war....I sent his name in to show, but maybe they got it from other sources too. He has whole Rogue Warrior series of books.
He explains how that nuclear technology was given to Koreans in one of the books...I believe him. He blames Clintoon.
What's that hammer, sickle, paintbrush emblem?
I think this is a good development, and we should tell North Kookies to test it.
Either they don't, caving embarassingly, and the worst of all things asian, losing 'face'
Or they do and it works and they just used up some of their limited stockpile...and it frightens their neighbors much more than us and they finally try to deal with mentally ill as well as providing us a little more intel on their capabilities. (Nukes are much easier to build than to build AND fit on a missile, give us a better idea where they stand)
Or they do and it doesn't work and they also lose face. Then we will be forced to mock him mercilessly.
I don't see any downside to telling him to go ahead.
I read all (most?) of his books. I especially like the pictures of him – looks pretty mean. But then I heard an interview with him once and recall that the voice definitely does not go with his picture… sort of high-pitched IIRC.
Not that it is a big deal, but when you’re expecting someone with pipes like Darth Vader and end up with someone sounding more like Jay Leno, it’s sort of a let-down.
Doesn't the CIA estimate they have 2-3 weapons at most? I haven't been enough attention, sorry. But, are they really willing to use 1/2 to 1/3 of their inventory on this? I'd be tempted to encourage them, just to see them use one of their weapons in a useless gesture...
They probably have more than 3, but they are probably not the lithium-enhanced high-yield type. If they plan to eradicate all life from the planet with 8 or 80 they might need to get out more.
I agree completely. The only thing I can add to your post is that if they set one off, we won't have to put up with the no-weapons-of-mass-destruction hand wringing when we take bastards down.
Good, test away. It would actually help us silence our Western leftists, at least for a while.
North Koreas neighbors would universally decry us if we tried to verbally provoke North Korea while we sit safe across the Pacific Ocean. Yes, I realize that we won't be safe for much longer, but the locals in Asia are in danger right now. Belligerant taunting of a nuclear power would come across as reckless and irresponsible to those actually under the gun.
Even our diplomatic stonewalling is feared by Japan and South Korea. They're ready to send over aid in return for airy promises from North Korea, just to defuse the situation. Hopefully, we'll be able to keep them from breaking ranks, since that will only encourage more bad behavior in the future.
I do agree that testing the weapon would be foolish on their parts, politically speaking. That's a hard act to follow, if your only game is brinksmanship. It really is their last card to play, and the sooner they use it, the sooner they run out of implied threats, and have to move on to overt ones.
I thought his voice was quite masculine. You must have heard him during a cold or something.
Where ya want em! Kimmy!
Thats the parade for Madeline Notbright.
She loves a parade.
is that like using tritium to boost the detonation?
You're right that we don't need to actually taunt the madman, but I think we should do so in polite diplo-speak. As for the neighbors, they might want to try to buy off Kim, but they want us to foot the bill. No way South Korea and Japan are willing to foot anything like the amounts NK is demanding. And ultimately, I think a NK test would do good things for our allies...they might find a spine. After all, as you point out, at that point it is them under the gun. And it isn't like kim can really be appeased, he'd be the new emperor of Japan (w/ pre-WWI authority) before he was stopped demanding more...and everyone knows it.
Should we show them?
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