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Trading the bench for the stand (Rick Stanley on trial)
Rocky Mountain News ^ | June 23, 2004 | : Hector Gutierrez

Posted on 06/23/2004 8:30:32 PM PDT by AdamSelene235

BRIGHTON - Rick E. Stanley came face to face Tuesday with the Adams County district judge he wanted arrested by a militia for ruling against him on his appeal of a weapons conviction.

District Judge Donald W. Marshall Jr. found himself on the witness stand rather than on the bench as he testified against Stanley, a gun rights activist.

Stanley, 49, is on trial on two felony charges of attempting to influence a public servant. An Adams County jury is expected to begin deliberations today.

The trial stems from a "notice of order" Stanley sent to Marshall and to Thornton municipal Judge Charles J. Rose after he was convicted of violating a city ordinance for carrying a firearm on public property. Stanley had appealed to the 17th Judicial District Court, where Marshall reviewed the case and upheld Stanley's conviction. Stanley served 90 days in jail.

Both judges testified that they became concerned for their safety when they read the "notice of order," which said they would be arrested by the "Mutual Defense Pact Militia" if the conviction wasn't reversed.

Marshall and Rose said that SWAT teams guarded their homes for a few days after they received the notices. Marshall also said he had to reacquaint himself with a firearm for his own protection.

"Certainly, I was alarmed, and frankly shocked, that a document of this nature would be filed with the court," Marshall testified.

Stanley took the stand Tuesday afternoon and testified that he believed the judges had violated his federal and state constitutional rights to carry a gun, particularly after Gov. Bill Owens signed a bill last year that prohibited municipalities from enacting ordinances stricter than federal and Colorado gun laws.

"I was giving them a notice that they were violating the law and that they should stop doing that," Stanley testified.

Stanley said he was campaigning in September 2002 for the U.S. Senate as a Libertarian at the Thornton Harvest Fest and openly carrying a loaded .357 handgun in a side holster.

The U.S. Army veteran testified that he singled out Thornton because he was aware of the city's ordinance banning handguns on public property.

"The Colorado Constitution said you could, and that's a protected and guaranteed right that was not to be called into question," he said in response to a question from his lawyer, R. Scott Reisch.

This week's trial represents the second time Stanley has challenged a local ordinance in the last three years. Denver police arrested him for violating a similar city ordinance.

Stanley said he was passing out fliers and even engaging in a friendly conversation with a couple of police officers at the 2002 campaign event in Thornton. Later, however, several officers found him, arrested him and took his weapon away, he said.

Under cross-examination by Mark D. Warner, chief trial deputy district attorney, Stanley blamed the government for infringing on people's constitutional rights, and he denounced the judges for being conspirators.

In his most recent arrest, Stanley was apprehended by a SWAT team Oct. 18.

Stanley's battles with the government

• June 9: IRS and other federal agents raided his home and business, Stanley Fastener & Shop Supply in northeast Denver.

• 2002: A Denver jury convicted Stanley of carrying a loaded semiautomatic handgun in his holster at a downtown Denver park during a 2001 rally. Stanley said he took the gun to the rally as a deliberate challenge to Denver's gun-control ordinance.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; US: Colorado
KEYWORDS: bang; banglist; militia; rickstanley
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1 posted on 06/23/2004 8:30:32 PM PDT by AdamSelene235
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To: *bang_list
Marshall also said he had to reacquaint himself with a firearm for his own protection.

Interesting response for a judge who claims there is no right to bear arms.

2 posted on 06/23/2004 8:32:31 PM PDT by AdamSelene235
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To: AdamSelene235

If we as Americans do not have the right to bear arms then what gives this judge the right! Typical communist!


3 posted on 06/23/2004 8:40:08 PM PDT by GLSchnJR (Justice was Served)
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To: AdamSelene235
"Stanley blamed the government for infringing on people's constitutional rights, and he denounced the judges for being conspirators."

Not only is he right, the one judge should be charged for the costs of his SWAT protection.

4 posted on 06/23/2004 8:45:46 PM PDT by NewRomeTacitus
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To: AdamSelene235
It is a fundamental principle of Colorado law that the challenged statute is "presumed to be constitutional, and the party challenging its validity has the burden of proving unconstitutionality beyond a reasonable doubt." .....

Simply by the fact that an individual may in certain circumstances use a firearm to defend his or her life does not mean that Thornton's Dangerous Weapons Ordinance deprives the defendant of any meaningful exercise of his right to defend his life and liberty, and the defendant's speculations as to when a dangerous weapon may be useful for defensive purposes leave the court unconvinced.

By the court:

Duly signed original in court file

_________________________

Donald W. Marshall, Jr.

District Court Judge

5 posted on 06/23/2004 8:54:31 PM PDT by AdamSelene235
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To: AdamSelene235

Rick Stanley is a crazy big mouth.


6 posted on 06/23/2004 8:58:02 PM PDT by Reagan Man (.....................................................The Choice is Clear....... Re-elect BUSH-CHENEY)
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To: AdamSelene235
Stanley's a whack-job.

You know he's not going to win this, don't you?

7 posted on 06/23/2004 8:59:38 PM PDT by sinkspur (There's no problem on the inside of a kid that the outside of a dog can't cure.)
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To: AdamSelene235
It is a fundamental principle of Colorado law that the challenged statute is "presumed to be constitutional, and the party challenging its validity has the burden of proving unconstitutionality beyond a reasonable doubt.

This is a serious problem.

The proclamations of our rulers are "presumed to be constitutional" and the defendant is presumed guilty until he proves himself innocent beyond a reasonable doubt.

Interesting inversion.

Naturally, the government has no interest in limiting its own power, so any serious attempt to challenge a law which is "presumed to be constitutional" will simply be denied cert.

We have rights, but only if courts feel like granting them.

8 posted on 06/23/2004 9:01:55 PM PDT by AdamSelene235
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To: Reagan Man
Rick Stanley is a crazy big mouth.

Perhaps, but his cases certainly provide insight into the nature our supposed "rights"....Rights that we must prove constitutional beyond a reasonable doubt.

9 posted on 06/23/2004 9:06:25 PM PDT by AdamSelene235
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To: sinkspur
You know he's not going to win this, don't you?

I've always known that but now I know how as well as why he will lose.

10 posted on 06/23/2004 9:08:09 PM PDT by AdamSelene235
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To: AdamSelene235
Read the article.

>>>Stanley, 49, is on trial on two felony charges of attempting to influence a public servant. An Adams County jury is expected to begin deliberations today.

I'm not saying the system is perfect, but Stanley wanted a private militia to arrest two officers of the court. These are serious charges. I surprised they didn't charge him with threatening the two judges lives. He's good at that. Remember his remarks 2002 campaign about wanting to see Sen Wayne Allard hung? Mike Rosen tore him apart for those outrageous remarks on KOA and rightfully so.

Stanley is a first class troublemaker.

11 posted on 06/23/2004 9:15:15 PM PDT by Reagan Man (.....................................................The Choice is Clear....... Re-elect BUSH-CHENEY)
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To: sinkspur

You know he's not going to win this, don't you?"

I doubt if stanley thinks he will win it.
I have respect for him for doing what he's doing.


12 posted on 06/23/2004 9:17:34 PM PDT by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get)
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To: Reagan Man
Stanley is a first class troublemaker.

Well, we can't have that, now can we. I also hear he's a crazy loud mouth and a whack job. Fine Constitutional arguments.

13 posted on 06/23/2004 9:17:36 PM PDT by AdamSelene235
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To: AdamSelene235

This isn't about the Constitution and individual rights. It's about Stanley trying to influence and intimidate officers of the court. That's a felony!


14 posted on 06/23/2004 9:21:41 PM PDT by Reagan Man (.....................................................The Choice is Clear....... Re-elect BUSH-CHENEY)
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To: Reagan Man
It's about Stanley trying to influence and intimidate officers of the court. That's a felony!

Yeah, that was pretty stupid.

This isn't about the Constitution and individual rights.

Sure.

15 posted on 06/23/2004 9:23:32 PM PDT by AdamSelene235
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To: AdamSelene235

If Stanley wants to challenge a municiple court judgment against him, he should do it through the appeals process and not by breaking the law. He served 90 days for the original infraction. This could get him a lot more time behind bars. Personally, I wouldn't mind if he was put away for an extended period of time for this incident. One day he might lose it altogether and wind up shooting someone. Stanley can't be trusted.


16 posted on 06/23/2004 9:29:06 PM PDT by Reagan Man (.....................................................The Choice is Clear....... Re-elect BUSH-CHENEY)
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To: AdamSelene235
The most strenuous thing most people ever do when they see tyrannical injustice (if they can even recognize it, and if they do *anything*) is click send on an email that nobody reads. It took 30 mins for them to show up. Tact isn't Stanley's strong suit but he has more coglionis than a trainload of the slackers. He would have been right at home in Massachusetts a couple of hundred years ago or so - unlike the keyboard commandos that like to trash him.




"Pay no attention to that man behind the keyboard!"
17 posted on 06/23/2004 9:45:58 PM PDT by agitator (...And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark)
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To: Reagan Man
If Stanley wants to challenge a municiple court judgment against him, he should do it through the appeals process and not by breaking the law

He did so and was denied cert. As Marshall sez, the challenged statute is "presumed to be constitutional, and the party challenging its validity has the burden of proving unconstitutionality beyond a reasonable doubt"

Except you'll never be granted cert, tee hee.

18 posted on 06/23/2004 9:50:16 PM PDT by AdamSelene235
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To: Reagan Man
This could get him a lot more time behind bars. Personally, I wouldn't mind if he was put away for an extended period of time for this incident.

Don't you worry the IRS and the Joint Terrorism Task Force are after him now.

You do NOT assert your rights and get away with it.

19 posted on 06/23/2004 9:53:18 PM PDT by AdamSelene235
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To: AdamSelene235

Stanley can petition the circuit court for redress and get a hearing. That will cost him more money and more of his time. Stanley keeps banging his head against a brick wall and what has he accomplished? NOTHING!


20 posted on 06/23/2004 10:10:36 PM PDT by Reagan Man (.....................................................The Choice is Clear....... Re-elect BUSH-CHENEY)
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